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Oops. I made a mistake. It’s actually 150,000 people killed by guns since then. That’s about the population of Fort Lauderdale being wiped out in the last 5 years.
Small brains considers suicide and negligent discharges as relevant for violent murders too...
I post FBI numbers 2011-15 15 reports 9,616 homicide. Even provided a link.
Those evil "assault rifles" 252 deaths.
What has killed more according to the UCR chart? Knives- 1,544
Blunt objects-437
Hands fist and feet-624
Waldo watch... they'll shift the goal posts again.
They are under the impression guns are the cause. The operator of the inanimate object is not to blame...
You must really enjoy being arrogant. You mistakenly think you know what my own thread and poll means more than I do. The same way you think you know what George Orwell’s politics are more than what he himself has stated, lol, a conservative socialist. No wonder Trump loves his rock headed base.
Gun deaths that are self inflicted also have victims too. Just go ask any of the family of people that commit suicide.
Unless you think 100,000 people being killed by guns since just the Sandyhook massacre is not a big deal.
How many were murders and how many mass shootings? FYI you can discount 80% because they are suicides. Now how many were committed by criminals, you know the ones that don't usually own guns legally to begin with.
The Devil is always in the Details..............
You must really enjoy being arrogant. You mistakenly think you know what my own thread and poll means more than I do. The same way you think you know what George Orwell’s politics are more than what he himself has stated. No wonder Trump loves his rock headed base.
Gun deaths that are self inflicted also have victims too. Just go ask any of the family of people that commit suicide.
Which is a Mental Health Issue, not a Gun Issue. Maybe had the family noticed and got them help they would still be alive, ever think about that?
You must really enjoy being arrogant. You mistakenly think you know what my own thread and poll means more than I do. The same way you think you know what George Orwell’s politics are more than what he himself has stated. No wonder Trump loves his rock headed base.
Gun deaths that are self inflicted also have victims too. Just go ask any of the family of people that commit suicide.
Then are you suggesting your thread is built on a false premise?
You want to throw suicide in? That's fine. That's not indicative of firearms being a problem though, separate issue of mental health being an issue. Correct?
Who enjoys being arrogant?
Gun violence, if we are being honest, is perpetrated by those who want to extinguish others lives. Suicide is extinguishing ones own life yes?
Indeed, they are. While I blast "gun nuts," understand that my contempt for them comes from the notion that more guns somehow fix all problems and that "anyone" - regardless of crimes, mental instability, or just staggering irresponsibility - should be allowed to "own whatever gun they want."
You'd be hard pressed to find 10 "gun nuts" who believe that violent felons or the mentally ill should have access to firearms. Most of us that own firearms don't understand why violent felons are on the street in the first place. The liberal hug-a-thug program has done more to harm our country than the NRA ever could.
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That's just stupid. We don't allow known, drunken loons to go out and buy big-rigs and crash them all over the highway. And when we discover somebody is utterly wreckless behind the wheel, we eventually take away their right to drive (if not their actual car) if they cannot get their act together. Many people die every year - even more than from gun violence - because of idiots on the road, but at least efforts are taken to reduce their impact or those numbers would be even higher.
Firearms are already highly regulated - there are thousands of laws related to firearm ownership. How many more do you feel are necessary?
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That's why I have no patience with gun-nuts who think that guns are somehow "sacred" and no laws should be passed that can in any way limit one's right to own them. It is an utter fallacy to claim that since "people kill people," the tool involved doesn't matter. Based on that logic, we should allow drunks to drive since it's the "person" or the "mental illness" doing the killing - as if the 1+ ton steel moving at highway speeds had nothing to do with it! I'm reasonably certain that unarmed drunks wearing nothing but their cloths and moving on foot don't kill too many people each year - the tool involved just *might* have something to do with the outcome of their actions.
As has been shown over and over in countless places, one doesn't need a gun to commit mass murder. You can blame the tool, but do you have a plan for after guns are outlawed and these instances still happen? What's the next tool on the list to be banned?
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With that out of the way, I have no problem with SANE gun owners who admit that, yes, some people should not be allowed to have a gun. I also have no problems with most gun owners, teaching about guns, selling guns, etc. Hell, I'd honestly be happier if basic firearms safety was taught in EVERY high school - that might cut down on some pointless deaths and drill home that guns are NOT TOYS and require real responsibility to own and use. But I have no respect for anyone who claims every drunken, violent, irresponsible, or utterly stupid person should be allowed to "own whatever gun they want" because of a gross misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment and their own personal gun fetish.
Firearms safety and shooting used to be taught in schools. Unfortunately, the social justice crowd deemed such programs as Eddy Eagle to be politically incorrect and had them removed from the schools.
In all honesty, liberals hold more blame for instances of mass shootings - and firearms crime in general - than so-called "gun nuts" or the NRA do. Every major piece of firearms legislation pushed by liberals has either had no effect or has had the opposite effect of what was intended. In urban areas with strict gun control, gun crime is so rampant that it barely makes the news. Gun Free Zones, which were sold as a way of making our children safer, have turned our schools into hunting preserves. The frequency of school shootings has more than doubled since the GFZ law went into effect. Is that because of GFZ laws? Hard to tell, but the GFZ laws sure haven't done anything to slow them down. Similarly, Las Vegas was nothing but a giant target range due to the idiocy of gun free policies. You can include many other instances in the category of target ranges as well, including Aurora and the Washington Navy Yard. In short, gun free zones create soft targets for people who want to commit atrocities.
Meanwhile, the shooter at the church over the weekend was eventually stopped by an armed citizen. Ironically, a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun, even though the liberal mantra is that guns in the hands of citizens are bad.
All in all, considering the track record of the liberal gun control agenda - which is absolutely abysmal - it's difficult to take any arguments for stricter gun control seriously. Nothing that is promoted as "common sense" regulation does a damn thing to stop shootings, but in the liberal mind that means we need to focus even more on guns. At the same time, liberal judges are turning known violent criminals back on the streets and liberal politicians are harboring violent felons in sanctuary cities. I guess it's easier to focus on the tool than it is to fix the problems with society that have been created by the same people who want to ban guns.
Be honest smallbrains. That's 43,932 deaths 11-15 or in an average, 8,786.4 per year (since 16 and 17 numbers aren't published) are relevant to gun violence.
Suicides do not count. Neither do negligent discharges or accidents.
Be honest smallbrains. That's 43,932 deaths 11-15 or in an average, 8,786.4 per year (since 16 and 17 numbers aren't published) are relevant to gun violence.
Suicides do not count. Neither do negligent discharges or accidents.
Only 44,000 eh? Sad. But keep telling yourself that gun deaths aren’t a big deal. The bigger the gun nut the smaller the brains. I guess my name is a cautionary tale.
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