It's our 307th mass shooting in 309 days

[shadowne]

Originally Posted by shaker281

It is extremely hard to reconcile this data based on being a lifelong resident of Chicagoland and not knowing a single person who has ever pulled a gun or used a gun to defend themselves in my many decades of life. And I worked the night shift in the city for years.

Where the heck is this all going on? Texas?

Here's an interactive map:

Mass Shootings in 2017 | Gun Violence Archive

[ChiGeekGuest]

Originally Posted by spankys bbq

I'll see your WaPo article, and raise you a Politico article.

https://www.politico.com/agenda/stor...esearch-000340

How unusual. the author of that piece is Chris Cox, the executive director of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action.

[ChiGeekGuest]

Originally Posted by shaker281

It is extremely hard to reconcile this data based on being a lifelong resident of Chicagoland and not knowing a single person who has ever pulled a gun or used a gun to defend themselves in my many decades of life. And I worked the night shift in the city for years.

Where the heck is this all going on? Texas?

Re: underlined: agree it's a challenge when research into the underlying issues has been suppressed or restricted by Congress for 20 years. From one of CDC studies after restrictions were temporarily lifted:

...A finding of insufficient evidence to determine effectiveness should not be interpreted as evidence of ineffectiveness but rather as an indicator that additional research is needed before an intervention can be evaluated for its effectiveness.

...Evidence was insufficient to determine the effectiveness of any of these laws for the following reasons.

...In conclusion, the application of imperfect methods to imperfect data has commonly resulted in inconsistent and otherwise insufficient evidence with which to determine the effectiveness of firearms laws in modifying violent outcomes.

This is a critical period for focused research on the effectiveness of firearms laws in reducing violence in the United States. International comparisons indicate that the United States is an outlier among developed, industrialized nations in rates of firearms violence (2). Widespread public concern exists about criminal firearms violence, firearms violence among youth, and other forms of firearms violence, and popular support for many firearms laws is evident (34,35). Although the Task Force's systematic review of the existing literature on firearms laws found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of these laws in preventing violence, research should continue on the effectiveness of firearms laws as one approach to the prevention or reduction of firearms violence and firearms injury. Evaluation should include not only the laws reviewed here, but the broad array of other federal, state, and local laws. ...

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

Findings from the Task Force on Community Preventive Services

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a1.htm

[Squidlo]

Originally Posted by shadowne

Here's an interactive map:

Mass Shootings in 2017 | Gun Violence Archive

The map says a lot. My opinion only but it seems to me that there are more mass shootings in areas with restrictive gun legislation. I was surprised that Memphis, TN. had more mass shootings by definition than Houston, TX.

I am a gun owner and perhaps I am biased (duh), I don't see how removing guns from responsible owners is going to stop gun violence.

You can quote statistics and banter back and forth about the virtue of your positions, It does nothing to stop the root cause of violence in society. Previous posters stated ( I am in agreement) until we have an honest discussion about mental health and how we treat violence in general, will we begin to get a grip on the problem.

When people are violent by nature, I am pretty sure many people are aware and do little or nothing. This starts at home and in schools way before the public has to bear the brunt of someone who slipped through the cracks.

I am not a psychologist. I can apply logic though. Spotting the trends early would do a lot toward reducing violence toward others.