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People who commit crimes with guns should be severely dealt with.
The problem is that politicians and courts have decided to go easy on them.
A prime example ..
Obama’s forgiveness of gun crimes amid push for controls ‘incredible hypocrisy’
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Richard Reid was already a two-time felon when authorities searched his Delaware apartment and found marijuana, crack cocaine divided into sales-size plastic bags, powder cocaine, a scale — and a loaded .32 caliber handgun, an unloaded .25 caliber pistol and ammunition for two other types of weapons.
Mr. Obama forgave six of Reid’s gun crimes, in addition to the drug trafficking and possession offenses for which he was convicted in 2007.
He is one of 107 federal inmates who have had gun crimes convictions pardoned or sentences commuted during this administration, including a number who used firearms while dealing drugs or who carried them despite having felonies on their records. Still others were caught lying to gun dealers or carrying weapons with the registration numbers filed off —
No. Your question specifically stated no new laws, but stricter enforcement of existing laws.
I presume he wants, "harsher penalties on existing laws".
I remember reading an article a while back, where a man pulled a gun in some sort of domestic dispute, and as the result of some mandatory-minimum sentencing law about "committing a crime with a gun", he got something like 20-years in prison, with a minimum served of like 12 years.
If you had read the circumstances of it(I can't quite remember now), you would realize how stupid it was that he got thrown in prison for such a ridiculous amount of time.
We want "just" laws, nothing more, nothing less. If you start tinkering with laws arbitrarily, in order to achieve any goal other than justice, then you should reap what you sow.
Here we go. The laws were in place to have stopped this guy from legally buying a gun. Because of incompetence he was able to and we will most likely hold no one accountable for that.
Air Force Error Allowed Texas Gunman to Buy Weapons
SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Tex. — A day after a gunman massacred parishioners in a small Texas church, the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to enter the man’s domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people.
Under federal law, the conviction of the gunman, Devin P. Kelley, for domestic assault on his wife and toddler stepson — he had cracked the child’s skull — should have stopped Mr. Kelley from legally purchasing the military-style rifle and three other guns he acquired in the last four years.
Apparently this guy, Devin Kelley (the Texas shooter), had prior criminal history of serious domestic abuse so the background check couldn't stop this guy from buying a weapon. Quoted from the article in the link:
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Kelley was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts of Article 128 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, assault on his spouse and assault on their child, spokeswoman Ann Stefanek said Monday. Kelley received a bad conduct discharge, confinement for 12 months and a reduction in rank.
Aside from making sure the information in the criminal history databases are correct, I agree with the many here, enforcing current laws will be more effective than adding more restrictive new gun laws.
Apparently this guy, Devin Kelley (the Texas shooter), had prior criminal history of serious domestic abuse so the background check couldn't stop this guy from buying a weapon. Quoted from the article in the link:
Aside from making sure the information in the criminal history databases are correct, I agree with the many here, enforcing current laws will be more effective than adding more restrictive new gun laws.
The Air Force is now investigating why Kelley's conviction wasn't entered into the NICS system. That was the break in the chain.
I support harsher penalties but don't think they would do much. Thee are around 20,000 gun laws now. I don't think a criminal considers the penalty before they commit a crime.
Here we go. The laws were in place to have stopped this guy from legally buying a gun. Because of incompetence he was able to and we will most likely hold no one accountable for that.
Air Force Error Allowed Texas Gunman to Buy Weapons
SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Tex. — A day after a gunman massacred parishioners in a small Texas church, the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to enter the man’s domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people.
Under federal law, the conviction of the gunman, Devin P. Kelley, for domestic assault on his wife and toddler stepson — he had cracked the child’s skull — should have stopped Mr. Kelley from legally purchasing the military-style rifle and three other guns he acquired in the last four years.
The Air Force is now investigating why Kelley's conviction wasn't entered into the NICS system. That was the break in the chain.
We're also hearing that he sent threatening text messages to his current mother-in-law prior to the shootings.
Honestly, even if the NCIS database contained his prior conviction, that wouldn't have necessarily stopped him from committing a horrific crime of some kind, and without using a firearm.
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