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I agree with you completely that god(s) do not exsist. I never understood how people believed in the bible wholeheartedly and without question. It just made no sense to me.
I guess I can see why people choosing to believe in a book and how it tells them to live their lives affects us if those are the people who make the laws and rules of the land. Then sure it does affect me there. I don't agree that our land should be ruled by the bible and I'm thankful that there are others who also think church and state should be seperate.
But people praying to a god to find comfort in a time of need is not delusional. It helps them and it gives them peace. I still see nothing wrong with that. Their wanting that hope doesn't affect me.
I was raised in it, in my early teens I found the sermons boring so I started reading the Bible from the pew instead. By the time I got to the end of it I didn't believe anymore.
Seems like in church there tends to be a focus on the feel good parts and a tacit avoidance of some of the nastier parts of the Bible, you get stuff like John 3:16 multiple times a year, but they never hit Numbers 31 the whole time I was there, so you can imagine my surprise coming across it as a youth.
"I pulled up to the intersection where the shooting happened and I saw two men exchanging gunfire," Langendorff said, noting the shooter and another local were shooting at each other.
Once the gunman fled the church grounds in his vehicle, Langendorff said the other man came to his car.
"The other gentleman said we needed to pursue (the shooter) because he shot up the church," he said. "So that's what I did. I just acted."
The pair chased the man down FM 539 headed North before the shooter lost control and ran off the roadway. Langendorff said the other man with him jumped out othe car and drew his rifle on Kelley.
"He didn't move after that," Langendorff said.
This is were the cell phone came in
The pair were able to lead law enforcement authorities to where Kelley was. The 26-year-old was found dead in his vehicle. It is not immediately clear how he died.
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Originally Posted by jackwinkelman
You claimed divine intervention then contradicted yourself. Someone inside the church called 911. I had read an earlier report that someone showed up at the church because of a cell phone call.
The gunman opened fire some time after 11:20 a.m., according to officials. By 11:30 a.m., Ramirez had crawled out of the line of fire and called 911, the station reported.
One observation:
Solis, who suffered a gunshot wound to her shoulder, said her only option was to play dead.
“I shouldn’t have gone to church that day,” she remembers thinking as she huddled under the pew.
While this person was calling 911, someone else could of just been praying to god for help
While this person was calling 911, someone else could of just been praying to god for help
The point is that the individuals in the church didn't get any help, did they? The shooter had completed his shooting, and was exiting the church on his own. He didn't exit the church because of the good samaritan who it turned out was nearby.
"I have never in my life been more disgusted than I am right now. Of course I'm disgusted first and foremost by the evil, pitiful coward who slaughtered so many innocent Christians while they worshiped on Sunday. But I'm nearly as disgusted by the reaction from so many people. A reaction that has included the gleeful mockery of faith and prayer.
Moments after the bodies hit the church floor, there were people -- including prominent people -- on social media practically gloating about it. "See? Prayer doesn't work!" "Prayer isn't enough!" "This is where prayers get you!" Etc.
There is never a good time for this ridiculous anti-prayer nonsense, but right after 25 Christians were murdered at a church is the worst possible time imaginable. So please, sincerely, from the bottom of my heart, shut up: "
Well I guess we don't need to look very far to see where this evil starts. Many people out there are evil to begin with. Disgusting to comment the way they do.
Are comments like these tacky? Absolutely. Should they be publicly said? Probably not. Do we need real, concrete policy action? You bet.
I wonder what Looney Leftists would be saying if the victims were Muslims.
This one would be saying the same thing I am saying now: that it was a tragedy, and would never have happened if that monster had been locked up for good when he fractured a baby's skull.
Agnostic here, former Sikh, not Christian, but I can easily acknowledge the value of Prayer in Religion, just as I can see the value of meditation, modern Psychiatric therapy, and non- religious communities coming together in times of need.
Not that hard to figure out, people coming together in prayer provides hope and support, and will aid in their recovery. The continued ridicule by "Supposedly" Liberal people against people who believe in prayer, or just find it helpful, proves how un-Liberal these people are.
I can agree with most of your sentiment. What I think most secular people are mocking, however, were the comments made by the Texas governor, who said said the answer to these shootings was “prayer”, or something to that effect.
That's not what I said or implied. Not sure why you are picking a fight with me.
I'm not picking a fight. I'm reiterating the fallacy of the God is Good trope. People will say God is so good when something good happens, yet when something bad happens it can't possibly be God's fault.
How do you figure that? The lines between good and evil are pretty clearly drawn in his books.
Excellent point.
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