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Old 11-08-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
"Not weapons that can wipe out an entire church in 15 seconds"

Do you know here are people who can fire a single action pistol FASTER then a semiautomatic pistol.

I DOUBT it!
Still waiting for Fiyero to list the acceptable weapons to use for defense in a disaster situation and why.

 
Old 11-08-2017, 11:03 AM
 
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I have always wondered why more people haven't challenged many state gun law since the violate 2nd amendment.
I foresee this coming when there is one more originalist appointed to the Supreme Court. It makes no sense to initiate such a defining case unless you are certain to win.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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"Law should dictate people who want to carry firearms need to attend a yearly safety course and fire and pass a 60 round PPC"

Maybe we should require a yearly driving test considering cars kill a WHOLE LOT MORE the guns do.
Kill/maim people with gun = never get to have a gun again.

Kill/maim people with a car? They don't touch your license.

I don't want any more innocent people's lives destroyed because of firearms.
But I cannot take anyone seriously about getting tough on guns until they get a hell of a lot tougher on drivers.
I work in 2 major trauma centers and trained in 3 of the biggest in the country.
Yeah...once in a while you get a shooting.
But EVERY EFFIN' DAY people's lives are destroyed because of bad/reckless driving.
And we literally do nothing about it.

Focusing on the wrong GD epidemic because guns are sexier to go after...meanwhile, everyone posting on this thread probably speeds through school zones.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 11:04 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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think a little historical trivia might be in order. It's not really trivial though. Through the entire history of this nation the citizens have had the rifles that the US military uses. Handguns as well. These firearms were distributed and widely available through the CMP. However the firearms available through the CMP now have stagnated at WW2 era guns. And they have dried up. The CMP has been quietly gutted.


If the program was working as intended M14s and 16s, in semi auto trim, would be available. The CMP needs to be rejuvenated. At any rate these rifles are available commercially, albeit a bit more expensively than they should be, so people own them. The AR platform is current military issue so this is the most popular rifle. No surprise. This is in keeping with our tradition.


The police are also using such rifles quite heavily, so citizens having them is quite in keeping with as it should be. Now, the biggest threat we face today is not from foreign invasion or government coup in terms of self defense and militia. The threat is criminal, and these criminals are organized, well funded and very well armed. And they don't recognize semi auto only restrictions. They have the real thing.


It's really interesting how so many people are so afraid of rapid fire ability. Truthfully, someone with an M1 Garand (which is semi auto only but only holds 8 rounds) could do far more damage with aimed fire than someone with an AR spraying from the hip or just aimlessly (literally) about. Which is what these wack jobs tend to do.


One round fired does not equal a hit every time. Way back when a guy climbed a bell tower on a TX campus with a bolt action hunting rifle. He did a lot of damage. Look folks, we are , always have been and always will be an armed nation. Some folks don't like that but it's a fact. An armed citizenry is necessary. In the places where disarming the citizens has been policy, in our major urban areas especially the inner cities, criminal gangs now govern. The honest people, of whom there are more than the criminals, have to eat dinner laying on their floors and the kids have to crawl to the bathroom.


If this isn't a case where militia is needed please point out a more glaring one we are facing currently. This is a prime example of what happens when you take away peoples 2A rights. How's that working out? People need to be able to fight back against oppression, and that's just what these criminal gangs are. Oppression. In order to be able to fight back people need access to proper equipment. The current issue rifle is the M16/M4. OK, so we the people are limited to semi auto trim for these rifles. Fine. But now these phobics want to take that option.


Please. Go and void your bladders and bowels in your pants downwind and get a grip. The US is an armed nation. There's no changing that. So I suggest that if folks want to "do something" obtain a proper weapon and be an honest citizen. Little hint, we outnumber the bad guys. But if we are unarmed we are little more than a herd of sheep waiting for a mountain lion to jump in the pen.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 11:04 AM
 
Location: London
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It's a good thought but who or what determines you are mentally ill, I've known people who are defiantly mentally ill but they can easily act as if they are not and nothing will catch the guy who just snaps.
That Texas guy escaped from a mental institution where he was placed after threatening to kill his superiors on a military base. Cases like that are pretty damn clear cut.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 11:06 AM
 
Location: London
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Funny, the left has shrieked for years demanding that the "government stay out of our bedroom" because it's none of their business, suddenly has decided that what gun you have in that bedroom is their business.
No one else is affected by two guys getting it on consensually.

Guns are pretty much designed to be used on unwilling people.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Still waiting for Fiyero to list the acceptable weapons to use for defense in a disaster situation and why.
Foul language and sharp sticks, LOl.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
I have always wondered why more people haven't challenged many state gun law since the violate 2nd amendment.
They have and challenges are still being made. But they have to work their way up through the court system all the way to the Supreme Court. Unfortunately these are decided on a case by case. Some have merit, some don't and they only get so far. Those that have merit usually make it to the Supreme Court such as in the Heller/McDonald decision which confirmed the 2nd Amendment as an individual right not related to service in a militia and applies to firearms that are in "common use". It got to the point where they had to rule one way or the other. Fortunately they ruled on our side.

The sad part is that politicians still pass laws that violate those decisions. Unfortunately those laws remain in effect until a successful court challenge overturns them. Those challenges could take years to decide and cost a lot of money of which the lawyers are the chief beneficiaries. Obviously this is beneficial to the bottom line of the trial lawyers who in most cases happen to be elected officials who write these laws. The more laws that are written and challenged the more the lawyers can profit.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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No one else is affected by two guys getting it on consensually.

Guns are pretty much designed to be used on unwilling people.
Or to be used by people who are unwilling to submit to a criminals demands.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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They have and challenges are still being made. But they have to work their way up through the court system all the way to the Supreme Court. Unfortunately these are decided on a case by case. Some have merit, some don't and they only get so far. Those that have merit usually make it to the Supreme Court such as in the Heller/McDonald decision which confirmed the 2nd Amendment as an individual right not related to service in a militia and applies to firearms that are in "common use". It got to the point where they had to rule one way or the other. Fortunately they ruled on our side.

The sad part is that politicians still pass laws that violate those decisions. Unfortunately those laws remain in effect until a successful court challenge overturns them. Those challenges could take years to decide and cost a lot of money of which the lawyers are the chief beneficiaries. Obviously this is beneficial to the bottom line of the trial lawyers who in most cases happen to be elected officials who write these laws. The more laws that are written and challenged the more the lawyers can profit.
A lot of Liberal/Progressive Activist courts have upheld these Un-Constitutional gun control laws, and the SCOTUS refuses to hear them, so they stand. They can't successfully pass gun control legislation on a national level as it is political suicide. Just ask Al Gore who lost his own state largely due to his gun control stance. Therefore the lower courts legislate from the bench, and uphold these illegal laws from states like NY, NJ, CT, MA, MD, RI, IL, CA, HI, etc.
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