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what everyone is failing to note is that the person that opposed trump in the general election is much worse that trump. and the problem that the republicans are going to have in 2018, and even last night, is that they are not getting the things done that they were sent to do. for instance the republican have been running one repeal and replace obamacare ever since 2012, and each time they have said they need the house to do that. then they said they need the senate, so we gave them that. then they said they needed the presidency, so we gave them that as well, and they STILL have not done ANY of the things they promised.
not only are the democrats blocking trumps efforts, but many republicans are also. in 2018 there will be a democrat "revolution" if the current crop of republicans dont start getting the job done, the voters are not going to wait any longer.
everyone talks about trumps low approval ratings, but they forget that congress has far lower ratings, and have had for far longer, yet we still keep putting the same old elites back every election.
i suspect that in 2018, those that hang onto trumps coat tails, whether they be democrat or republican, are going to win elections in 2018. but that would mean that the party extremes are going to have to go away, and more moderate candidates will end up winning. candidates that are willing to compromise.
Am sorry but disagree.
Main focus of yesterday's voting where DNC candidates won (and big) was DT. As such cannot see why anyone "hanging on" his coattails in 2018 will win unless there is some sort of drastic sea change with those holding negative opinions of the man.
Do not understand why GOP/followers of Trump are so keen to use Obama as a rallying point, but refuse to accept their current leader is same for the opposition.
For goodness sakes a transgendered person beat out an incumbent republican (crazy as bat...., but never the less still an incumbent) in Virginia. You don't think that had anything to do with His Orangeness's policies against trans people?
One reason that even to this day Rudy Giuliani has never won another elected office, much less run and or been appointed to an administrative post is that his negatives (racist, misogynist, bigoted, etc....) still dog him over ten years after being "the People's Mayor"....
As for the GOP in Congress "not doing what they were elected to do...", well there is a reason for that; large members of their own electorate are *NOT* thrilled with what Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell have hatched out. As such GOP senators and Congressmen know if they voted for such bills their elected official careers would be over.
If you know people have guns you don't give them bullets....
I want tRump to remain in office long enough to ensure deeper damage to the GOP and to wake up millions more voters to their anti-family and anti-middle class agenda.
Main focus of yesterday's voting where DNC candidates won (and big) was DT. As such cannot see why anyone "hanging on" his coattails in 2018 will win unless there is some sort of drastic sea change with those holding negative opinions of the man.
More and more GOP incumbents will be disavowed by the voters. Drain the swamp! That is what Bannon is doing by vetting populist candidates to replace them.
Whomever passes muster with Bannon can in some states, win their GOP primary. But such extremists cannot win in the general election. Maybe Miss. or Ala. but in most states, no.
Let Bannon choose the most repugnant racist candidates he can find....it almost assures a Dem victory in most states.
I think this election and the "Republican purge" paraded by President Trump and Bannon, is showing that Republican voters are turning on Trump for whatever reason.
"get something done" = steal money from an unpopular group (the rich) and spread some of it around to a large voting bloc with great fanfare.
That seems like one of those "taxes against the rich is wrong" comments. Most people are fine with the current tax system, why else do people complain about this new idea? Too many useful itemized deductions are gone.
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Neither party advocates for fair taxation. The only fair tax is a flat tax on ALL income- no exemptions, credits or deductions. Does not get any simpler than this.
No one could win on such a platform because everyone is a special interest.
Well yeah, this ties in with the above. Itemized deductions like SALT, mortgage payments, etc. are important to people. That and the fact that 17% to those paying no taxes (let's say through the system) that is a 1700% increase in tax payments while a rich person paying say 34% or more, has a 50% decrease in taxes. How exactly is that "fair?" IMHO because to those who don't pay much if anything in taxes typically need the money because they are on the lower end of the socio-economic ladder and need to hold onto their money more so.
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actually the only fair tax is a consumption tax. eliminate all income taxes, and payroll taxes, and go to a national sales tax of say 6%. then it wouldnt matter if people work "under the table", you could eliminate a lot of new hire paperwork, and a lot of crap businesses have to go through every time payroll comes up. businesses could save a ton of money because smaller businesses wouldnt have to hire a company to do their payrolls, they could do them themselves.
but no one could win on such a platform either for the reason you listed.
WRONG! Try again. The Sales tax hurts the lower end of the socio-economic ladder. Why, because they pay virtually all their money for goods or services they truly need say 90% of their income. Some one in the middle class might spend oh 70% of their income. A rich person may spend 30% and a 1%er might spend only 15%. A 10k person spends 9k a year, paying nearly $540 in taxes or 5.4% of income going to the government. The middle class person making 80K spends 56k a year, paying nearly $3.360 in taxes or 4.2% of their income going to the government. The rich person makes 200k a year spending 60K a year, paying 3600 in taxes or 1.8% in taxes. The 1-percent might make 500K spends 75K a year, paying $4500 in taxes or 0.9% in taxes. How is this fair? The Fair Tax proposal doesn't think that. While that idea is flawed in its own right (the idea of federal taxes tied to spending,) at least that 10K person don't spend into the poor house as bad.
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That would be the most fair. Rich people who buy really expensive luxury cars, yachts, expensive second homes, private planes, etc. would pay more. These things are choices they are making, not necessities. And to them, it's a drop in the bucket. They still have plenty left over for necessities.
Poor people who drive an old, second hand car, their kids wear cheap clothes, they never go anywhere would pay much less in taxes. They are buying necessities and have few, if any, luxuries. I know people who are like this, working sometimes 80 hours a week and the taxes are killing them.
That would be iff the rich does pay for those things. The poor people would carry this tax as would the middle class since the economy is based around them in general.
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While it sounds fair, it really isn't. The poor still make a lot of purchases and end up with a high tax. Does this mythical 6% add to the state and local tax? That would make the poor here in my city paying almost 15.5% on grocery purchases and every other purchase also. Keep in mind that they have less money to work with in the first place.
I never really thought we'd agree but we do here. My local taxes are about 9% already. That makes it about 15% now for non-food or in some states non-clothes purchases. Say someone makes 20K a year and spends 15K a year. 4K is in food, 5K in clothes, 6K in other purchases. In a state with only food exemptions, that is 11K sales taxable purchases. At 6% you see $240 increase in food spending, a $300 increase in clothes and $360 increase in other purchases. That is a $900 increase for all purchases.
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exactly. eliminating payroll and income taxes for the private citizen would be like giving them a pay raise, and would take the pressure off them somewhat.
I pay about 8% of my check in this (excluding about 1.5% for federal withholding) but I would instead pay 6% more per purchase. That wouldn't fly. Plus for the most part, those payroll taxes are in their own piggy bank. Now you have that coming from the general fund.
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You need to put a "1" in front of that "6." California has a sales tax of 10% and no way would that pay for anything. The VAT in the UK is 20% and they still pay additional income tax and National Insurance.
Yep this is where the Fair Tax got 23% from.
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True. Base on 2012 consumer spending, a 5% VAT would have raised $356 billion. The budget that year was $3.5 trillion. We would need a 50% VAT in order to meet that budget.
Which means cuts. Sadly that means to the poor since we can't seem to cut the defense budget to save our lives...
One thing that you have to admit is, if nothing else, Donald Trump winning the election was a wake up call to America. The majority of us never thought, in our wildest imagination, that this man, with his horrible track record and character, could EVER win. It showed us all how easily America could fall into the wrong hands, if we were complacent .
No, it showed what might happen if you mercilessly attacked the American core, the people who built this country and keep it going. It has nothing to do with the Left's complacency; it's all about the Left's intolerance and aggression.
That seems like one of those "taxes against the rich is wrong" comments. Most people are fine with the current tax system, why else do people complain about this new idea? Too many useful itemized deductions are gone.
Nope its a "taxes are wrong" comment, not just the on rich but everyone. Bet you dont agree with that.
Yes the plan is a scam.
If you are a GOP incumbent, and your constituents are educated, you will have to distance yourself from Trump.
Yeah, the rural rednecks will happily take a bullet for the Dotard, but the educated suburban districts are going solid blue.
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