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Old 11-19-2017, 08:12 PM
 
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Republicans used to be the party of northeastern wealth. Now they are the party of interior workers.

Democrats used to be the party of southern workers. Now they are the party of coastal wealth.

This proves that blood is thicker than bank accounts. When building political coalitions, ethnicity trumps class. The Republicans moved downscale economically as they became the party of most whites and not just wealthy whites. Likewise Democrats moved upscale as they became the party of non-whites, not just poor workers and immigrants.

So which new coalition will prove more durable?

On the face of it, the Democrats are more riven with differences, between a liberal white and Asian gentry and a black and Hispanic worker class. But as I said, blood is thicker than bank accounts and I think mutual antipathy to whites will keep the Asians, blacks, and Hispanics united despite unwieldy class tensions.

The Republicans are comparatively more united, since their coalition encompasses fewer ethnic and class tensions.

The X factor in American politics is the liberal white gentry, which is currently allied with Democrats. Will they stay that way? Remember blood is thicker than bank accounts.
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Old 11-19-2017, 11:40 PM
 
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Republicans used to be the party of censorship of speech because it might offend certain groups, while democrats were the ones promoting free speech. This is especially true in the 90's. You think back to the Jerry Springer and WWF "attitude era" the introduction of shows like Beavis and Butthead and South Park as examples. Democrats wouldn't have had as big a deal about Trumps behavior had he been elected in 1996 because he kind of acts like he's out of that era, and he was pretty damn liberal back in 1996 as well. Right now he kind of appeals to former wrestling fans who think the "attitude era" was the climax of the industry (which it was )

Now the republicans are the ones promoting free speech and the democrats want to censor everything because it might offend people. This is one area where the older democrats and younger ones tend to conflict, though the old ones aren't balsy enough to do anything about it.
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Old 11-19-2017, 11:47 PM
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Republicans used to be the party of censorship of speech because it might offend certain groups, while democrats were the ones promoting free speech. This is especially true in the 90's. You think back to the Jerry Springer and WWF "attitude era" the introduction of shows like Beavis and Butthead and South Park as examples. Democrats wouldn't have had as big a deal about Trumps behavior had he been elected in 1996 because he kind of acts like he's out of that era.

Now the republicans are the ones promoting free speech and the democrats want to censor everything because it might offend people. This is one area where the older democrats and younger ones tend to conflict, though the old ones aren't balsy enough to do anything about it.
Republicans dont go to Democrat speeches, they just stay home.

a boycott and protest have the same affect, one just grabs more attention.
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Old 11-20-2017, 05:12 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Republicans used to be the party of northeastern wealth. Now they are the party of interior workers.
Republicans oppose high min wages and healthcare for everyone. And the latest republican tax plan gives 80% of the tax cuts to the richest 1% of Americans.
Trump Hands 80 Percent of Proposed Tax Cut to Top 1 Percent – Mother Jones

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Democrats used to be the party of southern workers. Now they are the party of coastal wealth.
Democrats want high min wages and healthcare for everyone. And Hillary Clinton wanted to raise wealthy peoples tax rates and tax wealthy children's inheritances at 65%.
Here's how much Hillary Clinton's tax plan would hit the rich - Aug. 11, 2016
Hillary Clinton Wants a 65% Inheritance Tax on Billionaire Estates | Fortune

Could you please explain how republicans are the party of workers and democrats the party of the wealthy?

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Old 11-20-2017, 05:39 AM
 
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Both parties have become slaves to their fringe crazies.

Look at all the Dem butt kissing of idiot college protesters. Already saying that the next nominee needs to be female. Caring more about the rather rare boys that think they are girls than Joe Sixpack.

Meanwhile the GOP has become the party of social Darwinism.

As the center moves away from both parties they get fringier and fringier where GOPs with 90+ ACU ratings lose primaries to child molesters because they are "RINO"s and we hear how we need to let boys that think they are girls change for gym with actual girls.
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Old 11-20-2017, 05:58 AM
 
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Republicans used to be the party of northeastern wealth. Now they are the party of interior workers.

Democrats used to be the party of southern workers. Now they are the party of coastal wealth.

This proves that blood is thicker than bank accounts. When building political coalitions, ethnicity trumps class. The Republicans moved downscale economically as they became the party of most whites and not just wealthy whites. Likewise Democrats moved upscale as they became the party of non-whites, not just poor workers and immigrants.

So which new coalition will prove more durable?

On the face of it, the Democrats are more riven with differences, between a liberal white and Asian gentry and a black and Hispanic worker class. But as I said, blood is thicker than bank accounts and I think mutual antipathy to whites will keep the Asians, blacks, and Hispanics united despite unwieldy class tensions.

The Republicans are comparatively more united, since their coalition encompasses fewer ethnic and class tensions.

The X factor in American politics is the liberal white gentry, which is currently allied with Democrats. Will they stay that way? Remember blood is thicker than bank accounts.
It's not about race. You never mentioned policy. Not once.

It's always about policy.
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:04 AM
 
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... Remember blood is thicker than bank accounts.
Not from my experience.
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:07 AM
 
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Republicans used to be the party of northeastern wealth. Now they are the party of interior workers.
Republicans cannot be described as a "party of workers" in any sense.

They are the party of interior landowners, maybe.
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:20 AM
 
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Republicans oppose high min wages and healthcare for everyone. And the latest republican tax plan gives 80% of the tax cuts to the richest 1% of Americans.
Trump Hands 80 Percent of Proposed Tax Cut to Top 1 Percent – Mother Jones



Democrats want high min wages and healthcare for everyone. And Hillary Clinton wanted to raise wealthy peoples tax rates and tax wealthy children's inheritances at 65%.
Here's how much Hillary Clinton's tax plan would hit the rich - Aug. 11, 2016
Hillary Clinton Wants a 65% Inheritance Tax on Billionaire Estates | Fortune

Could you please explain how republicans are the party of workers and democrats the party of the wealthy?
In reality, neither party really does much for the America worker outside of empty rhetoric which you cited in believing Hillary's election promise lol....you really believe that?

Both parties have turned a blind eye to illegal on-shoring (let's be honest, the illegal flood is really just corporations\rich getting more cheap labor.)

Both parties supported NAFTA....I know many people whose jobs were off-shored. Do you?

Do you remember Hillary promising to take the oil companies record profits? What happened there? Oh wait, she took massive campaign contributions from them.

All Trump did was dangle the same empty populist pro-worker promises in front of voters and a bunch of disillusioned blue collar moderate dems and indy's jumped ship on the democrats.
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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The republicans used racism (The Southern Strategy) to court white southerners, and it worked. Their union-busting broke up the rust-belt labor vote. Conservative, rust-belt whites who had previously voted the way their shop foreman told them to now vote like the conservatives they’ve been all along.
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