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Old 11-11-2017, 07:00 AM
 
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The wealth disparity won't get much better with UBI. Almost Everyone will get their welfare check while the corporations that make everything and the CEO's and others at the top will be richer than ever.

We would need to push AI to take over the CEO jobs as well then.
For established automated processes that supply our needs, there is no need for a business owner nor shareholders.

The money to fund it comes from the same place the banks and finance sector get theirs from to prop themselves up. They get zero free interest money fresh off the printing press and loan it at exorbitant interests rates to others. There is no need for that anymore. The rent seekers and leeches would cry foul though.
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Old 11-11-2017, 07:14 AM
 
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This is nothing new either. At one time, companies had staff that calculated and processed the company payroll, step by step. Now most companies use standard payroll software and/or outsource the payroll to vendors like ADP.

Remember when checks would clear by being sent to the original bank on the check? Now this is all done automatically. There were lots of middle skill banking jobs that were replaced.
What your posted pointed out quite nicely is one of the different stages in automation.
In the early 1800's, horses were used for work, entertainment, travel and so on. They were used for their muscle power. Enter the steam engine, gas engine and so on.

The horse population numbered in the millions, especially when human population was a lot lower.
Today the horse population in the US is a few hundred thousand maybe. The horses were no longer needed.

Business look at humans no differently, human workers are a tool to enrich themselves.

AI is the next stage where it is replacing the human mind.
The human to the elite rich is the horse.
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Old 11-11-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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I reckon Robot design, construction, and repair would be a prudent career choice.
For 6 billion people?
Corporations even today do not have repair men standing by to fix their equipment.
They use contracts with a third party so when something goes down, they call them up.
You could have 20 people servicing 20 different corporations that had 500 employees each at one time.
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Old 11-11-2017, 07:26 AM
 
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For 6 billion people?
Corporations even today do not have repair men standing by to fix their equipment.
They use contracts with a third party so when something goes down, they call them up.
You could have 20 people servicing 20 different corporations that had 500 employees each at one time.
Once we have the technology though, it will be a different story, they will no longer need contracts with any third parties, they will have robots that will work for free, the only cost is the sticker price when they buy them...after that, its all profit.

We are still a few years away from bipedal humanoid robots who can perform all the functions a human can though, LOTS of various R&D labs are working on this right now. From what Ive seen in Japan lately, they are extremely close, they have humanoid robots right now that look identical to a human being, but do not have the right AI yet to be true 'robots'.
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Old 11-11-2017, 07:30 AM
 
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No doubt. All of these predictions of the future will be filed along with flying cars, meals in pill form and everyone wearing silver jumpsuits.
The technical requirements for flying cars already exist.
They reason they don't in numbers is because of the safety issues with humans manning them.
AI could change that.

I remember reading old articles about when the wright brothers were working on their flying contraption and many scoffed at their attempts in the newspaper and community.

"If God wanted us to fly he would have gave us wings" was a common statement back then.
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Old 11-11-2017, 07:36 AM
 
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Worry? How about embrace and take advantage of it. There are many new jobs in the field of robotics and automation and this field will grow. Those robots have to be designed and maintained by somebody and the software has to be developed and maintained. Even if robots make robots, there are jobs making those too. There is sales, delivery, setup, parts, designing of parts, manufacturing, assembly, upgrades, repair, even end-of-life and recycling of robots, training and reusing their parts.

It's a whole new line of work that requires specific skill sets. There will be new billionaires made on new companies that focus on automatic and robotics and many people will work in the industry. It's going to be huuuuuge.

Artificial intelligence will program itself and fix bugs. Modern materials and machines are being created that will literally never break. How do suppose people in the future will find work when AI and materials science will make a ton of jobs obsolete?

https://youtu.be/mLwKZ43Dl7E


How can a human fix a circuit they don't even understand? AI can already build circuits virtually 0 humans understand AND can design circuits better than humans. You're vastly underestimating the impact of artificial intelligence once we create AI that becomes sentient.
https://www.damninteresting.com/on-t...n-of-circuits/
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Old 11-11-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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The best thing to get into now is the software, hardware and maintenance involved in all of the automation and robotics. Most people aren't going to be able to become an engineer that designs it all but if you can do it, hey you have it made.

The private schools don't want you to know this they want you to go into debt for 80k for a degree in basketweaving.

There you go, I just gave you a good paying job that will be good for the next 100 years, and saved you 80k
It would be nowhere near 80K but more like minimum wage.
Supply and Demand.
With 6 billion people on the planet looking for a job....
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Old 11-11-2017, 07:44 AM
 
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The technical requirements for flying cars already exist.
They reason they don't in numbers is because of the safety issues with humans manning them.
AI could change that.
Not really, when the term 'flying cars' is thrown around, most people are actually referring to a hovering or anti-grav vehicle, like lukes landspeeder in star wars, and other sci fi movies where the car sits about 12" off the ground, not something that is half airplane and half car.

We are still many years away from anti-grav or electromagnetic vehicles, if they ever come to fruition at all, they would be a disaster for the global economy, it would essentially end the need for people to buy some kind of fuel for their vehicles, or utilize something that cannot be metered to the public.
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Old 11-11-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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In Capitalism, all parties have power, but not so today.
What fantasy world do you live in? In capitalism you are as free as your boss allows you to be.
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Old 11-11-2017, 08:13 AM
 
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Once we have the technology though, it will be a different story, they will no longer need contracts with any third parties, they will have robots that will work for free, the only cost is the sticker price when they buy them...after that, its all profit.

We are still a few years away from bipedal humanoid robots who can perform all the functions a human can though, LOTS of various R&D labs are working on this right now. From what Ive seen in Japan lately, they are extremely close, they have humanoid robots right now that look identical to a human being, but do not have the right AI yet to be true 'robots'.
This is true.
I remember back in the day when machines in a line would break down.
You had secondary lines so production would not stop.
You would have to determine what machine broke down and call for the repairman.

Today, with the marriage of software, the machine spits out an error code and calls the third party.
The third party comes with a replacement part and slaps it in.

This could be all done onsite by ai.
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