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(**NOTE** to moderators: This is not a thread on gun violence or crime in general. It is about the puzzling antics of advocates and legislators who keep running away from a suggested solution to a problem they claim to be concerned about, but never examine or discuss, instead fleeing hastily and ignoring it every time it's suggested.)
"Gun control" advocates have tried the so-called "assault weapon" ban. They have tried the waiting period. They have tried banning large-capacity magazines. They have tried background checks. They have tried one-gun-a-month purchase restrictions. Hosts of others. And the crime rate has never gone down (any more than usual) when they were enacted. Plainly they have little or no effect.
And yet they simply call for repeating the same things time and again, apparently hoping for a different result.
There has been a solution available that shows good potential for actually reducing the crime rate, not just for years, but for centuries. But it's never been tried - the big-govt advocates are strictly against it, sight unseen, and continuously violate the laws that would put it into place. The constant failures of their own policies mean nothing to them.
There has been a solution available to us for years now. Centuries, in fact.
If all laws restricting gun ownership and carry were repealed, most people still wouldn't bother to carry a gun. But a few would. And some guy planning to mug an old lady, or assault someone at an ATM - or even shoot up a church in Texas - wouldn't know if someone in the crowd nearby was carrying in a pocket or purse. But he could be fairly sure that a one or two people were.
And some criminals would decide not to commit their crime in the first place because of that. Presto - a reduction in crime. And without a shot being fired.
And when a few truly insane ones go ahead and commit the crime anyway, let's just say they quickly get distracted from their plan, and often their recidivism rate does down suddenly.
A good solution, producing far better and safer results than anything the so-called "gun control" advocates have ever offered.
But the advocates have shied away from it like vampires away from light. Even the gun-control pushers in this very forum have never once addressed it, despite it being suggested to them many times. They shy away, quit the thread, and go elsewhere to resume proclaiming that more applications of the same failed laws they have tried in the past, will work this time. As if the one workable plan that was pointed out, was never suggested to them. Never once have any of them even tried to point out what they feel is wrong with it, why it wouldn't work, etc. They simply turn, run, and pretend they never heard it.
It's starting to look like these people don't want a solution that would actually lowers the crime rate.
Well, what, instead, DO they want? Legislation that simply disarms law-abiding people (that's most Americans)? A scheme that renders their subjects helpless in the face of criminals, and dependent on government to protect them... no matter how ineffective and useless that protection has proven over the years?
Isn't it time they started owning up to their larger responsibilities, and try a solution that actually reduces the crime hitting the American people? Instead of simply one that makes American citizens less able to look out for themselves and more dependent on government for the safety it clearly cannot provide?
To some degree, Carry Conceal permits are on the rise, more people are getting permits to carry a concealed hand gun.
As the numbers of people increase that are carrying a gun, it will bring about part of what you are referring to, who in this crowd has a gun and who does not.
And in many cases the not knowing is what will give some pause before committing their action.
The other biggest part that long term that will reduce crime, is much harsher punishments for the crimes broken in the first place. Don't allow the gun laws or a person caught with a weapon that is not registered to them, to be plea bargained away. Enforce the laws that are already on the books.
To some degree, Carry Conceal permits are on the rise, more people are getting permits to carry a concealed hand gun.
As the numbers of people increase that are carrying a gun, it will bring about part of what you are referring to, who in this crowd has a gun and who does not.
And in many cases the not knowing is what will give some pause before committing their action.
The other biggest part that long term that will reduce crime, is much harsher punishments for the crimes broken in the first place. Don't allow the gun laws or a person caught with a weapon that is not registered to them, to be plea bargained away. Enforce the laws that are already on the books.
No it won't, hasn't happened yet so no reason to think it will
Vast majority of people who get shot at are already armed or are hanging with people who are heavily armed. If you don't realize this then you know nothing about gun statistics
No it won't, hasn't happened yet so no reason to think it will
Vast majority of people who get shot at are already armed or are hanging with people who are heavily armed. If you don't realize this then you know nothing about gun statistics
I know 80,000 people a year try and buy a firearm, but are denied. Lying on the Federal Form 4473 is a felony. less then a dozen per year are prosecuted for this crime.
I know that firearm changes, like possession of a un-licensed firearm, are one of the first crimes to be plea bargained away.
And as far as the increase of carry conceal holders has on the effect of crime, that is something that will have to be checked in another decade or so.
And statically the murder/violent crime rate has been decreasing for the last 15 year or more.
I know 80,000 people a year try and buy a firearm, but are denied. Lying on the Federal Form 4473 is a felony. less then a dozen per year are prosecuted for this crime.
I know that firearm changes, like possession of a un-licensed firearm, are one of the first crimes to be plea bargained away.
And as far as the increase of carry conceal holders has on the effect of crime, that is something that will have to be checked in another decade or so.
And statically the murder/violent crime rate has been decreasing for the last 15 year or more.
If conceal and carry were deterrents gangbangers and drug dealers would rarely get shot because they are one of the most heavily armed groups around.
The goal of the Government bureaucracy, Democrats, and the Media is to disarm the law abiding citizen to further make them dependent, and more easily controlled. These entities do no want to stop criminals from committing violent crime. Look at inner city gang violence. They hate that citizens can legally have guns, and use these incidents as a way to sway people EMONTIONALLY. It is a total scam.
Most gang violence is carried out over turf fights, or slights against a person or their gang, and then violence is enacted by hot tempered, immature idiots, that use a gun as it if was a curse word.
I know 80,000 people a year try and buy a firearm, but are denied. Lying on the Federal Form 4473 is a felony. less then a dozen per year are prosecuted for this crime.
I know that firearm changes, like possession of a un-licensed firearm, are one of the first crimes to be plea bargained away.
And as far as the increase of carry conceal holders has on the effect of crime, that is something that will have to be checked in another decade or so.
And statically the murder/violent crime rate has been decreasing for the last 15 year or more.
Oh really?
Violent crimes increased nationally last year by 4.1 percent and homicides rose by 8.6 percent, one year after violence increased by 3.9 percent and homicides jumped by 10.8 percent. A total of 17,250 people were murdered in 2016, the F.B.I. said. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/u...increase-.html
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