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Old 11-18-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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Not really.

People can learn the error of their ways. Given that law school gooes till at least age 25, he would have been out in the "real world" for a comparatively short time.
And yet, oddly, many states allow older teenagers to be tried as adults - while they're still in high school.

Now if you're saying that Moore is an extreme case of arrested development, then maybe you'd have a point. But it hardly reflects well on Moore.

 
Old 11-18-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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This may be off-topic but here's my defense of Mormonism from a Jew. For a cult, they're quite high in accomplishments, education and social cohesion and order. A lot like the Jews. They do not seek life savings froooooooooooooooooom people. They have a consistent set of ethics and rules that applies to all people.

They are not a cult.
Even if your post is off-topic, I would like to say that, as a lifelong Mormon, I appreciated it very much. Just a few comments from me...

1. This thread is supposed to be about Roy Moore. Why some people use every opportunity they get to bring Mormonism into the discussion is beyond me, but they seem to do so without fail.

2. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian denomination. Period.

3. Its membership is now just under 16 million worldwide. Warren Jeffs is the leader of an entirely different group of people, the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-day Saints. That church's membership numbers about 10,000.

4. Latter-day Saints (LDS/Mormons), as you have indicated, have assimilated into their societies and cultures around the world. They place a high value on education and community service, and serve in positions of responsibility in government and the private sector. They do not isolate themselves from the rest of the world and demand mindless obedience to nut cases like Warren Jeffs.

5. The FLDS are not the same as the LDS. People need to stop lumping them all together.

End of rant. Now back to our discussion about Roy Moore, who is neither LDS nor FLDS.
 
Old 11-18-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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Even if your post is off-topic, I would like to say that, as a lifelong Mormon, I appreciated it very much. Just a few comments from me...

1. This thread is supposed to be about Roy Moore. Why some people use every opportunity they get to bring Mormonism into the discussion is beyond me, but they seem to do so without fail.

2. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian denomination. Period.

3. Its membership is now just under 16 million worldwide. Warren Jeffs is the leader of an entirely different group of people, the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-day Saints. That church's membership numbers about 10,000.

4. Latter-day Saints (LDS/Mormons), as you have indicated, have assimilated into their societies and cultures around the world. They place a high value on education and community service, and serve in positions of responsibility in government and the private sector. They do not isolate themselves from the rest of the world and demand mindless obedience to nut cases like Warren Jeffs.

5. The FLDS are not the same as the LDS. People need to stop lumping them all together.

End of rant. Now back to our discussion about Roy Moore, who is neither LDS nor FLDS.

You mean Christians are not all the same as the Westboro Baptist group? Really?

On second thought, maybe Roy Moore is a closeted member of that group.
 
Old 11-18-2017, 09:44 AM
 
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I keep seeing this but is there a source or an interview? I've not seen it sourced.



LOL. You are actually to the point where criticism of Roy Moore means 'you hate all Christians' a phrase you use a LOT in response to any argument.

No one is 'relying on the left wing media'. We are relying on the women themselves and the words coming out of their own mouths. We watched their interviews. Duh.
I searched it yesterday and found it on Breitbart. Snopes has written about it now. https://www.snopes.com/2017/11/17/ro...ng-teen-girls/
 
Old 11-18-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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2. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian denomination. Period.

3. Its membership is now just under 16 million worldwide. Warren Jeffs is the leader of an entirely different group of people, the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-day Saints. That church's membership numbers about 10,000.

4. Latter-day Saints (LDS/Mormons), as you have indicated, have assimilated into their societies and cultures around the world. They place a high value on education and community service, and serve in positions of responsibility in government and the private sector. They do not isolate themselves from the rest of the world and demand mindless obedience to nut cases like Warren Jeffs.

5. The FLDS are not the same as the LDS. People need to stop lumping them all together.
...
I had no idea there was a difference. I thought Fundamentalist meant they try to live closer to the basic teachings of the religion.

Thanks for setting me straight.

So the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-day Saints is not associated with Latter-day Saints/Mormons?
 
Old 11-18-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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Says she doesn't want to say it, then says she believes Luther Strange is behind this conspiracy to smear Moore's good name.

https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/statu...76051671756800
 
Old 11-18-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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Why won't Gloria Allred release yearbook for forensic handwriting analysis?
 
Old 11-18-2017, 10:32 AM
 
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I had no idea there was a difference. I thought Fundamentalist meant they try to live closer to the basic teachings of the religion.

Thanks for setting me straight.

So the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-day Saints is not associated with Latter-day Saints/Mormons?
Nope, separate churches. There are other offshoots (also separate). Not considered part of the main LDS church. Broke off.
 
Old 11-18-2017, 10:39 AM
 
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I had no idea there was a difference. I thought Fundamentalist meant they try to live closer to the basic teachings of the religion.

Thanks for setting me straight.

So the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-day Saints is not associated with Latter-day Saints/Mormons?
Not organizationally. The FLDS claim they practice Joseph Smith's / Brigham Young's original teachings, especially with regard to polygamy and race, which the LDS repudiated years ago. In fact, the LDS church has supported LE in its efforts to rein these folks in.

I believe there are also some (very) small Mormon denominations that are affiliated with neither the FLDS nor the LDS, but I don't know much about them.

And yes, the FLDS believes in marrying off girls as they hit puberty to older men who are powerful figures in the church. Besides being a problem for girls/women, it's also a problem for younger men and men who are not part of the governing circle.
 
Old 11-18-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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Here is an explanation of why the yearbook is a forgery.

Did anyone already mention her stepson was interviewed and said she is a liar out for money?
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