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Old 11-11-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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We eat so many processed foods, well most people do--bread, cans of soup, frozen foods, baked goods--all have sugar in them. Same w/ sodium.
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Old 11-11-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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There need be no theory. We all saw what happened when NYC or other places tried to tamp down disease and suffering by cutting down the size of 64oz drinks.

There is a Cabal - a LOBBY - in this country and it's more tuned toward Big Ag (corn syrup) than sugar...although they are the same thing.

I feel like I am repeating myself, but "free market" capitalism WANTS you to be unhealthy and die suffering after many interventions.

1. They sell you all the crap your entire life.
2. They then sell you all the stuff to deal with obesity, diabetes, etc.

I mean - if you don't add a human element (and Predatory Capitalism does not), then the best course of action is always to slowly poison the population. Consider just two numbers.

THREE TRILLION - spent on health care each year in the USA (double what it should be).
FIVE PLUS TRILLION - spent on food and food services

The two of those are linked and they represent 1/2 our GDP. They make the military look like spare change.

And so, we get the society and government we deserve. As long as people are going to yap about their "freedom" to weigh 350 lbs and corporations are going to make more when things are worse for all of us.....this is going to be what happens.

It's basic common sense and logic. Reward....in the trillions...can't be stopped by a discussion.
Blames "free market capitalism" for govt rigged outcomes
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Old 11-11-2017, 04:58 PM
 
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Blames "free market capitalism" for govt rigged outcomes
Gov. didn't rig them - lobbyists, ADM, ConAgra and other corporations did.

What I am blaming "free market capitalism" for is that it ends up being 110% corporate controlled and therefore human beings (happiness and general welfare) have been thrown out the window.

In other words we have a predatory system designed to take your money ANY your life and it doesn't give a hoot whether you are well adjusted, happy, healthy or anything else.

In the long run a system such as that cannot work. In fact, it already doesn't work - look at our natl debt and percentage of people in poverty or near so. It's broken....because it is an incomplete system.
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Old 11-11-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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Gov. didn't rig them - lobbyists, ADM, ConAgra and other corporations did.

What I am blaming "free market capitalism" for is that it ends up being 110% corporate controlled and therefore human beings (happiness and general welfare) have been thrown out the window.

In other words we have a predatory system designed to take your money ANY your life and it doesn't give a hoot whether you are well adjusted, happy, healthy or anything else.

In the long run a system such as that cannot work. In fact, it already doesn't work - look at our natl debt and percentage of people in poverty or near so. It's broken....because it is an incomplete system.
The "lobbyists,ADM,ConAgra and other corporations" cant rig anything without government and its guns. They are the symptom of a disease, not the disease. The real disease is govt power over the food supply, of which it sells freely to the highest bidders.
In a true free market, big corps cannot exist without willing consumers to support them.
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Old 11-11-2017, 06:04 PM
 
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The US has by far the highest sugar consumption in the world

That explains a lot.
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Old 11-11-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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If you make most of your own food (as I do), your sugar intake will probably decrease significantly. Stop buying food that's made for you. Remember that food companies manufacture their food with an intention to get you "hooked" on it. Most of them, therefore, cannot be trusted. Prepared food should be an occasional treat, not a regular habit.

As for weight gain and loss, it comes down to your calorie intake. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that you just need to reduce your carb or fat intake. Calories = energy. If you're not burning more energy than you're taking in, your body will store the excess energy as fat. There are exceptions for people with metabolic diseases, but for most people, it comes down to calories.

I'm currently working on publishing a meal-planning and recipe book, designed to help people minimize their calorie intake while maximizing the nutritional value of their food.
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:19 AM
 
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The "lobbyists,ADM,ConAgra and other corporations" cant rig anything without government and its guns. They are the symptom of a disease, not the disease. The real disease is govt power over the food supply, of which it sells freely to the highest bidders.
In a true free market, big corps cannot exist without willing consumers to support them.
Diff argument, really, but I'm a business person and not about to argue the benefit of corporations, mass production, productivity and the other advances that allow so few to feed so many.

It's really the small details that get us screwed....like

The dairy and cattle associations (lobbies) changing the food pyramid and making sure they are in on all the school lunches and institutional food (military, etc.)...

The Ethanol nightmare.

The paying of Farmers to grow corn syrup. 100+ BILLION over the last two decades....

This is not "point of the gun" stuff - it's the point of a pen and the guys and gals are wearing cufflinks.

I doubt many of them sit around and think "we are killing people and making trillions for ourselves and the medical-industrial complex", but that's the end result. It's a story of too much - excess everything and we (humans) have not yet learned to live with that. Our entire history was one of survival and starvation and it is almost impossible to change in a generation or two.

No, the SOLUTION is big government - taking away the subsidies and putting money toward education. Some of this is underway with calorie counts on packages and menus.

In the very end it is the choice of the individual but that is going to take a while to filter down. It's like you set up a big table with french fries, cake, ice cream, opiates, pot, beer, etc. at one end and Kale and Rice at the other and tell the masses to partake of what they like.
I'm going for the fries......
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:20 AM
 
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The US has by far the highest sugar consumption in the world

That explains a lot.
What does it explain? It's a fact - the only thing it may explain is that people are lazy and the government is not helping make sure of the General Welfare of the The People.
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:43 AM
 
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Diff argument, really, but I'm a business person and not about to argue the benefit of corporations, mass production, productivity and the other advances that allow so few to feed so many.

It's really the small details that get us screwed....like

The dairy and cattle associations (lobbies) changing the food pyramid and making sure they are in on all the school lunches and institutional food (military, etc.)...

The Ethanol nightmare.

The paying of Farmers to grow corn syrup. 100+ BILLION over the last two decades....

This is not "point of the gun" stuff - it's the point of a pen and the guys and gals are wearing cufflinks.

I doubt many of them sit around and think "we are killing people and making trillions for ourselves and the medical-industrial complex", but that's the end result. It's a story of too much - excess everything and we (humans) have not yet learned to live with that. Our entire history was one of survival and starvation and it is almost impossible to change in a generation or two.

No, the SOLUTION is big government - taking away the subsidies and putting money toward education. Some of this is underway with calorie counts on packages and menus.

In the very end it is the choice of the individual but that is going to take a while to filter down. It's like you set up a big table with french fries, cake, ice cream, opiates, pot, beer, etc. at one end and Kale and Rice at the other and tell the masses to partake of what they like.
I'm going for the fries......
No, its all the same argument. Now here, you're advocating for the same people/system that rigged the food pyramid, ethanol subsidies and school lunches to run a food education scheme. Can you not see that food labels will be bought and sold, just as the slots in the food pyramid were or the foods on a school lunch tray?
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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And yet in spite of the sugar consumption , people are living longer.

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