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Old 11-12-2017, 10:48 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Yep. And corn is highly subsidized by the government. So basically, our government is subsidizing these big conglomerates using our money, so they can produce corn syrup to put into virtually everything we consume, to the detriment of the health of Americans. But hey, the multi-billion dollar conglomerates are making big, big money, so it's all good, right?
I saw a documentary on this. I think it was 'Fed UP' but I'm not sure. Corn is highly subsidized so we put into everything in the form of HFCS.
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:57 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Why are you so angry? Addicted already?
Is your cup of coffee in the morning an addiction? (I don't drink coffee BTW, but do not claim that it is an addiction simply because I don't drink it).

If you had twenty cups of coffee every morning and you couldn't function without it, would it then be an addiction?

In the food nazi's eyes, both of the above would be an addiction. In a reasonable person's eyes, they would not.

In a reasonable person's eyes, it's all about the amount consumed. Having a donut or a Coke once or twice a week is and having ten donuts and twenty cans of Coke every day is totally different in a reasonable person's eyes. In a food nazi's eyes, they are the same.
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Old 11-12-2017, 11:03 AM
 
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Coffee is the largest source of antioxidants in many peoples diets.



https://www.superfoodly.com/orac-value/arabica-coffee/
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Old 11-12-2017, 11:07 AM
 
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Coffee is the largest source of antioxidants in many peoples diets.



https://www.superfoodly.com/orac-value/arabica-coffee/
The point was whether or not something is "an addiction" or not. A reasonable person would see the difference between a cookie ever third day and five dozen donuts each day. An unreasonable fanatic would not.
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:13 PM
 
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If you make most of your own food (as I do), your sugar intake will probably decrease significantly. Stop buying food that's made for you. Remember that food companies manufacture their food with an intention to get you "hooked" on it. Most of them, therefore, cannot be trusted. Prepared food should be an occasional treat, not a regular habit.

As for weight gain and loss, it comes down to your calorie intake. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that you just need to reduce your carb or fat intake. Calories = energy. If you're not burning more energy than you're taking in, your body will store the excess energy as fat. There are exceptions for people with metabolic diseases, but for most people, it comes down to calories.

I'm currently working on publishing a meal-planning and recipe book, designed to help people minimize their calorie intake while maximizing the nutritional value of their food.
I agree! "convenience" food is very inconvenient, in the long run. We started cutting out grains, white sugar, honey, etc. as well as adopting as many natural foods into our diets as well. As a result, I have lost 18 pounds in a few months, and my husband has lost twenty. We were totally amazed at what cutting out prepared foods, sugar and most carbs could do! Of course many people find it difficult to give up these things, but when you stop eating them, they are not as tempting as before.
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:43 PM
 
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Is your cup of coffee in the morning an addiction? (I don't drink coffee BTW, but do not claim that it is an addiction simply because I don't drink it).

If you had twenty cups of coffee every morning and you couldn't function without it, would it then be an addiction?

In the food nazi's eyes, both of the above would be an addiction. In a reasonable person's eyes, they would not.

In a reasonable person's eyes, it's all about the amount consumed. Having a donut or a Coke once or twice a week is and having ten donuts and twenty cans of Coke every day is totally different in a reasonable person's eyes. In a food nazi's eyes, they are the same.
Nobody here is a food Nazi. You sound like a language Nazi. We were not even talking about addiction.

BTW those who are truly addicted to coffee usually do not mind other people saying so. However some sugar addicted people seem to be very sensitive?
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:47 PM
 
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And yet in spite of the sugar consumption , people are living longer.

https://www.elderweb.com/book/append...united-states/
Uh...

Life expectancy in the US has slowed or stopped and remains well behind countries like Japan and even Cuba. Imagine that - spending 4X as much on medical care and living.
Certain groups (White females, for example) are living shorter lives. Minorities are doing better....their life spans are increasing.

What is the quality of life in the last decade of our elders days....and why?
"More than 100 million U.S. adults are now living with diabetes or prediabetes"
"Obesity"
"Heart Disease"

All of these and many more are related to what you put in your body.

I notice your screen name so here are some more local stats:

Rank State Life Expectancy, All (in years)
48 Louisiana 75.7
49 Alabama 75.4
50 West Virginia 75.4
51 Mississippi 75.0

These are about the same as China and LESS than Mexico. Nothing to be proud of when we spend vastly more on medical care, education and public health. Something is wrong here.
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Old 11-12-2017, 09:09 PM
 
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Uh...

Life expectancy in the US has slowed or stopped and remains well behind countries like Japan and even Cuba. Imagine that - spending 4X as much on medical care and living.
Certain groups (White females, for example) are living shorter lives. Minorities are doing better....their life spans are increasing.

What is the quality of life in the last decade of our elders days....and why?
"More than 100 million U.S. adults are now living with diabetes or prediabetes"
"Obesity"
"Heart Disease"

All of these and many more are related to what you put in your body.

I notice your screen name so here are some more local stats:

Rank State Life Expectancy, All (in years)
48 Louisiana 75.7
49 Alabama 75.4
50 West Virginia 75.4
51 Mississippi 75.0

These are about the same as China and LESS than Mexico. Nothing to be proud of when we spend vastly more on medical care, education and public health. Something is wrong here.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.28f2ce731781

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...1993/95134818/

Yep. People like to believe that "with all the modern medical advances..." people are living longer and are healthier. But the reality is, we simply arent. Innovation in U.S. healthcare is utterly stagnant and devoid of producing actual solutions and cures for most life threatening diseases. They can deliver endless, and expensive treatments, therapies, drugs etc, but our heathcare system actually has no earthly idea of what to do about the diseases that have arisen from our chemical laden diet. At this point they have switched from trying to solve/cure diseases to simply encouraging people to try to prevent them from occuring in the first place.

Our medical researchers strive to appear as though theyre in control and are making sound advances in medicine, but the reality is they are failing at producing anything of much substance today in the way of curing these ailments. And we all go along with it because we want to believe that "with all the modern advances in medical technology, people are living longer than ever before...yada yada"...when truthfully when you hear high ranking members of the medical profession tout how much "longer" people are living due to early detection/advanced screening after being diagnosed with cancer or diabetes, it is often simply because being diagnosed earlier automatically means the time that youre considered to be living with a disease will be longer, because by medical standards the clock merely started earlier; even if you wind up dying on the same date you wouldve died without any medical intervention at all - for statistical purposes, the apparent extension of life of a cancer patient has occured by default on the front end because the clock started at an earlier diagnosis, not necessarily because the patient's life was extended longer by medical treatment after diagnosis.

Which is one of the main reasons you hear medical professionals emphasize early detection of illness so often. Because even if they fail to cure you, statistically it looks better for them to be able to say that you "survived" longer as a patient who was diagnosed in April 2012 but died in October 2017, than it would look if you were diagnosed later (April 2017 for instance) and died in October 2017 anyway - and are said to have only lived for 6 months with medical treatment after diagnosis. You still arent being cured or living any longer, but by medical standards and for reporting purposes, you have lived longer with the disease because of "early detection" so to speak.

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Old 11-13-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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This is the problem with collective health care in the U.S.. Nobody should be forced to subsidize the effects of other people's bad or careless habits, including their sex lives.

The key component to liberty and freedom is personal responsibility, not forced collective compassion. The false sense of security that free to many health care provides does not create a healthier state or country over the long term. Taking care of yourself, your family and making intelligent economic decisions does.

If you can't make intelligent decisions on an individual level for yourself then how can you be expected to make intelligent decisions on a collective consumerist level? You can't, nor can other people do it for you. You have go at on individual levels.

The collective corporate dumbing down of the country has to stop and it will only stop through democracy of smart, but not necessarily selfish, consumerism. Selfish consumerism is 90% of the problem. When the collectively dysfunctional corporate and debt driven welfare culture is minimized society as a whole will be much healthier and mentally sound. There are no quick fixes that work sustainably. Quick fixes only foster more unhealthy addictions as evidenced by what is happening today.
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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We shouldn't be subsidizing some products while putting terrifs on others... Pure crapola. Farmers shouldn't get handouts to not farm. Oil companies shouldn't get subsidies at all. No industries should get subsidies.
Governments should never subsidize any products or companies.
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