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Old 11-12-2017, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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We don't. That's just a straw man that you made up so that you could maintain a feeling of moral superiority. He actually doesn't exist at all.
What sense of moral superiority? Are you being an overly-sensitive snowflake?
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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It doesn't make any sense. These Republicans would defend the rich keeping their money to themselves, ill-gotten or not, and leaving the rest of us to pick up the tab. The rich live in this society, too, and they don't need any coddling at all, especially not from people that make 1/100th of what they make. US society is very unusual in the way that they think rich people have it really bad, confused a lot of times as well; these Republicans think the rich will look out for them, just because they own a 5 employee business

In before communist, socialist, how much should we "steal" from the rich, etc. this isn't a tax policy topic.
My father was like this. He was a hardcore republican, who made a lot of money for his wealthy employers, but never much for himself. But he'd been indoctrinated by his exposure to them, since he started working as a teenager and had adopted their values, despite them being directly against his own best interests. But he did provide me with good examples about what to avoid in my own life.

Maybe many poor people who are republicans have fantasies that they will be rich themselves, someday.
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:22 AM
 
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My father was like this. He was a hardcore republican, who made a lot of money for his wealthy employers, but never much for himself. But he'd been indoctrinated by his exposure to them, since he started working as a teenager and had adopted their values, despite them being directly against his own best interests. But he did provide me with good examples about what to avoid in my own life.

Maybe many poor people who are republicans have fantasies that they will be rich themselves, someday.
Many think that they will be rich in the near future, despite the fact that they have no concrete plans or prospects.
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:28 AM
 
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Because I have never got a job from a poor person

The more money my boss makes, the more money I make
This right here.

Nothing else need be said.

Case closed.
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Why do poor and working-class Republicans care so much about the rich's financial well-being?

or Conservatives?

They apparently think they will be rich one day being paid "Minimum wage" jobs.
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:37 AM
 
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Within a decade the Democrats will be the party of the rich. They are already the party of professionals and half of Wall Street.

Say what you want about the House GOP tax proposal, the shrinking of the mortgage deduction limit benefits the middle class. Very few people have mortgages in excess of $500,000, so reducing income taxes on those who do not and funding those tax cuts by increasing the taxes on the upper middle class and upper class homeowners with large mortgages is actually redistribution from the rich to the poor.

The great party inversion is almost complete, with Democrats becoming the northeastern, now coastal, party of wealth and the Republicans becoming the southern, now interior, party of workers. Rhetoric as from the OP will sound quaint within a decade.
You really believe this? Median home prices in LA , NYC , San Francisco, DC, and Seatle are at least 500,000

In Chicago you can't find a single family home on the north side for less than $400,000 unless it's a rehab. You'd have to go northwest, west, or south. You should know this, you're from Chicago.
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Old 11-12-2017, 03:16 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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It doesn't make any sense. These Republicans would defend the rich keeping their money to themselves, ill-gotten or not, and leaving the rest of us to pick up the tab. The rich live in this society, too, and they don't need any coddling at all, especially not from people that make 1/100th of what they make. US society is very unusual in the way that they think rich people have it really bad a lot of times as welll, these Republicans think the rich will look out for the, just because they own a 5 employee business

In before communist, socialist, how much should we "steal" from the rich, etc. this isn't a tax policy topic.
Does the rich include all those multi-national companies who avoid tax.

Most wealthy people want to keep as much of their money as possible and have accountants and advisors who work within the law.

In terms of tax, it should not be excessive or designed to punish the rich and stifle entrepreneurship.

Too much tax and people and companies actually physically move away along with jobs and investment.

Indeed this is what will happen to Britain should the current Labour Party under Marxist Leader Jeremy Corbyn and his equally left wing Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell ever gain power.

Britain experienced exactly this in the 1970's, when we had a brain-drain and manufacturing moved to the far east, as Britain was strike-ridden and with sky high taxes.

As a result we had stagflation which is rising unemployment coupled with massive inflation rates. In 1974 top rate on earned income was raised to 83%. With the investment income surcharge this raised the top rate on investment income to 98%.

Over 750,000 people had to pay 98% Tax which was ridiculous and it's little wonder they left the country, which was drowning in a lake of socialism and badly thought out Keynesian Economics.

Industries were all nationalised and people new they had a job for life and weren't even motivated to do much, they sometimes just slept or played cards instead of actually working, whilst the country became more debt ridden and approached bankruptcy.

Whilst entrepreneurs, business people, scientists, celebrities and anyone else with any ambition left the country, whilst the rich moved to tax havens or the US.

The student snowflakes who support Corbyn are in for the massive shock of their lives if Labour take power and in the US let it be a lesson to the people who listen to the likes of Micheal Moore and Bernie Sanders.

The Left can attack Margaret Thatcher and the 1980's as much as they want, but they forget what a mess Labour had left, and Labour did the same in 2010 when they left the country on the verge of bankruptcy again following the banking crisis, which was partly due to Labour messing around with banking regulations and the easy credit fuelled by the famous Gordon Brown credit card budgets.

In terms of Corbyn, he is from the hard left and the country could end up akin to Venezuela if he took power, indeed he wouldn't even criticise the Venezuelan Socialist Government. Sadly it's amazing how stupid some voters can be.

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Old 11-12-2017, 05:41 AM
 
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What’s wrong with being fair? Having more money doesn’t mean you should have less fairness...
Life is unfair. Deal with it.
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Old 11-12-2017, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Many think that they will be rich in the near future, despite the fact that they have no concrete plans or prospects.
Nope.

Have no aspirations of becoming rich.

Why? Because I know how much time, risk, hard work and dedication that it would take.

And I'm not comfortable investing that much into my work life as opposed to my family life. It's a personal decision that I'm good with.

But I don't expect the rich to subsidize my lifestyle because I'm not willing to take the risks and time to become rich myself.

I keep what I make....you keep what you make......the rich keep what they make.

I'm OK with that......


Why aren't you?
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Old 11-12-2017, 07:18 AM
 
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It doesn't make any sense. These Republicans would defend the rich keeping their money to themselves, ill-gotten or not, and leaving the rest of us to pick up the tab. The rich live in this society, too, and they don't need any coddling at all, especially not from people that make 1/100th of what they make. US society is very unusual in the way that they think rich people have it really bad a lot of times as welll, these Republicans think the rich will look out for the, just because they own a 5 employee business

In before communist, socialist, how much should we "steal" from the rich, etc. this isn't a tax policy topic.
It makes perfect sense - working Americans are working to become rich. The last thing we want is left wing mooches taking what we've worked hard to get and passing it around to their special interest groups to buy votes.
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