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Old 11-12-2017, 06:50 PM
 
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SCOTUS upheld the Individual Mandate while denying the Federal Government the ability to force states to expand Medicare.
The individual mandate, is not the same as funding.

The individual mandate states you can force people to buy it by way of a tax, the government side of it, was never passed and authorized by Congress..

Federal judge rules Obamacare is being funded unconstitutionally - LA Times

The President can not pay for things, spending does not originate there..

Obamacare Subsidy Payments: Trump Ends Illegal Subsidies | National Review
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Old 11-12-2017, 07:02 PM
 
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The whole Democratic fiasco is totally falling apart. Families and small-businesses near bankruptcy from Obamacare co-pay's, deductables and fines.
Then why has your team not come up with a solution? They can't even agree on repealing it, let alone actually being productive and coming up with something better.
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Old 11-12-2017, 07:02 PM
 
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Most states allowed insurers offering Individual Plans to discriminate against those with preexisting conditions before the ACA.
I think homeowners should be able to to get fire insurance on their home after it burns at normal rate and we'll require the real estate agencies to provide that insurance.

You know as well as I do that is completely unworkable and that is what we currently have with healthcare. The mandate is a farce and the reason Obamacare is failing.
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Old 11-12-2017, 07:09 PM
 
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Most people see Obamacare as a lost cause and a program that inflated the cost of health care.

The cadre of nutcase posters around this forum are the exception. They blame the failure of Healthcare Exchanges on Trump - a ludicrous position, given that most of them failed before 2017.
Who will have been in the White House for two years by the time the 2018 election rolls around? Who will have been in charge of both houses of Congress by the time the 2018 election rolls around? And if health insurance is in a state of collapse, who are voters going to blame when the 2018 election rolls around?

Winning has consequences, and one of them is that after you get finished with all your rah, rah, rahs!, you have to actually govern. The GOP is failing miserably at that. And it will not go unnoticed, especially if millions of people are losing their health insurance.

Whether the ACA was failing before or not is a moot point now. The GOP was given two years to fix it. One year is gone already and so far they have done nothing. If it goes down, it's their failure now.
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Old 11-12-2017, 07:24 PM
 
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Many people i know still had to pay a fine last spring.
Still cheaper than those outrageously expensive premiums.
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:08 PM
 
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I dont think Trump has the authority to suspend the fine, for the very same reason he had to suspend the subsidies. This would need to be passed by Congress because the President has no authority to spend.
The IRS has stated they will enforce the fine. A tax return without health insurance information will not be accepted.
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:09 PM
 
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That " general welfare" thing in the preamble and the taxation clause negates your rant.
General welfare, vs individual welfare.. again, not the same thing..
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Old 11-13-2017, 05:03 AM
 
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Still cheaper than those outrageously expensive premiums.
True, but then again the GOP is not going to reduce those high premiums in fact what they had suggested would actually result in most people paying even more or being priced out of the market completely. Tells me neither has the right resolution to the issue.
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Old 11-13-2017, 05:11 AM
 
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Who will have been in the White House for two years by the time the 2018 election rolls around? Who will have been in charge of both houses of Congress by the time the 2018 election rolls around? And if health insurance is in a state of collapse, who are voters going to blame when the 2018 election rolls around?

Winning has consequences, and one of them is that after you get finished with all your rah, rah, rahs!, you have to actually govern. The GOP is failing miserably at that. And it will not go unnoticed, especially if millions of people are losing their health insurance.

Whether the ACA was failing before or not is a moot point now. The GOP was given two years to fix it. One year is gone already and so far they have done nothing. If it goes down, it's their failure now.
The GOP never ran on fixing it.
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Old 11-13-2017, 05:17 AM
 
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The GOP never ran on fixing it.
Correct, they ran on Repealing AND Replacing it, so far they have managed to kill it but seem to have a problem coming up with an acceptable replacement.
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