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It happened in New Orleans when police went door to door, and confiscated firearms during Katrina. It happened in Massachusetts after the marathon bombers. Police, and military will do what the people that pay them tell them to do. You know pensions and all.
You're talking about the difference between small scale confiscation in situations where the public is traumatized, confused, and/or startled and an immense confiscation in a situation where the public has time to evaluate and prepare. It's apples and oranges.
Unless there is an emergency, there will be no situation where the military is on the street. The average cop / SWAT team will neither have the resources or the wherewithal to confiscate most guns. This will hold especially true after they begin getting shot at. My entire point was that their pensions would not be enough to do what it would take to execute a large scale rifle confiscation. Sure, a few young and dumb ones would try to sweat it out but that wouldn't last long.
Right, wrong or otherwise, Milennials might be the ones to make some measure of Gun Control a reality once they're old enough to vote, boycott, and lobby. It would be fair to say their generation has witnessed enough of these tragedies over the short span of their lives.
I just find it difficult to have a rational conversation about the issue here.
Prior to the variety of thread mergers today, a cursory reading of some of the discussions produced the following "pearls of wisdom" (some of which were conveniently deleted by the posters or were otherwise moderated without justification):
Semi-automatic rifles = nuclear bombs.
Semi-automatic rifles constitute the greatest existential threat to society today despite accounting for just 2% of all gun-related deaths.
The US Constitution hasn't been updated since the 12th Amendment (in 1804 if my memory isn't off) and both slavery and women's suffrage never happened in particular.
It's inherently bigoted, hateful, or racist to discuss gun violence when not implicating deranged, white, male, mass-shooters, to exclusion.
Acts of violence are virtually unheard of in [all] first-world countries not named the United States, and particularly the southern United States.
It's acceptable to have armed security protecting banks, celebrities, commercial/government/industrial property, your home, jewelry stores & pawn shops... but not your children while they're at school unless their parents are among the wealthy elite.
We should send armed agents of the government door-to-door to confiscate firearms.
That's a major question that needs to be asked. If they use some judicial fiat or executive order in the future to pretty much gut the 2nd Amendment, how many will hand it over when they come to collect it and how many will "give them the bullets first" when they come for the guns?
i think first what will happen is that there will be lawsuits out the wazzoo across the country. so many in fact that they will overwhelm the system. judges will get tired of either tossing lawsuits out, or having to listen to suit after suit, going up and down the system, law makers being voted out of office, judges being voted out of office where the public can vote them out. governors being voted out of office, progun candidates replacing them across the board, etc.
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Originally Posted by Thoreau424
They aren't going to gut or change the 2nd amendment, and they aren't take away guns. There's no point beating that inflammatory dead horse, which only draws attention away from the real discussions.
The bigger question is: If persons in law enforcement and in government don't lift a finger to try and solve these national issues, are people going to have to rise up in force to get their attention? And that doesn't mean rise up with weapons, but rather put incredible heat, pressure, and attention on them so they can't live without it in their faces, unable to look away and ignore.
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Originally Posted by TreeBeard
This reminds me of those "Eric Holder is coming for my guns " threads.
Nobody is coming for your guns. No me will ever come for your guns.
Relax now and remember to take your meds before you go to sleep.
i advise you all to avoid making assumptions like this. there are congress people in both houses of congress that would be more than happy to take away gun rights by any means possible. and there are politicians waiting in the wings willing to do the same thing given the chance.
France and Japan are more densely populated than the USA yet have violent crime rates well below the USA. Surprise Surprise guns are heavily restricted guess when you make it harder to kill people crime goes down who woulda thought.
"Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, and murder rates have fallen from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to just 4.2, about a 25 percent drop, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center. And the number of permits issued is increasing faster every year. Over 1.7 million new permits were issued last year — a 15.4 percent increase over 2013, the largest such single-year jump ever, according to the report from the center led by President John R. Lott and research director John E. Whitley."
I believe Milennials will turn "That One Specific Corner" our generation was unable/incapable of turning during our time "at bat."
My hunch is that this latest/unfortunate Massacre will be a turning point in the United States of America's gun culture.
Unlike 20th century pro-gun advocates, these "youngins" are not in denial (and unafraid) of the fact that The United States of America is comprised of people from diverse racial/cultural backgrounds, and therefore see no reason to arm themselves against a non-existent opposing force. Unlike us Old folks, they're not afraid of differences. If anything, they embrace and celebrate "Difference."
Life and time moves forward, not backwards.
GO KIDS!
Is it okay to arm yourself against a 20X incidence of forced entry that bleeds over from the next neighborhood over?
I’m all for fighting back. We should never compromise our freedoms. The bill of rights is sacred. We should not tolerate the infringement of our free speech, right to keep and bear arms, invasion of our privacy or the interference with states rights. We have tolerated too much already. We should already be planning to fight. The ole stars and bars stands ready to raise again.
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