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Old 11-15-2017, 09:48 PM
 
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You obviously jealous. If you want to put it in those terms, what does Hillary or Pelosi or any politician for that matter know about fixing the system.

Here's the difference natalie... during the election Democrats didn't listen, they thought they had the election in the bag. Trump heard and understood, he won. You can't be closed minded like Democrats and think you know what the problem and how to fix it. And you won't fix it if you refuse to hear people and silence anyone who tried to tell you the problem.
How would I be jealous and why would I Politicians know how things work in government, Trump does not. Several of his properties went bankrupted. This new tax plan favors the rich and pretty much screws the middle class. If you are one of the rich then good for you. It won't pass though
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Old 11-15-2017, 09:50 PM
 
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How would I be jealous and why would I Politicians know how things work in government, Trump does not. Several of his properties went bankrupted. This new tax plan favors the rich and pretty much screws the middle class. If you are one of the rich then good for you. It won't pass though
LOL, uhm do you think Democrats and the media can come up with new rhetoric, this one's is played all the time booooorring. Democrats are so predictable lol
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Old 11-15-2017, 09:53 PM
 
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LOL, uhm do you think Democrats and the media can come up with new rhetoric, this one's is played all the time booooorring.
I'm not talking about the media. Haven't you read any of this bill. Good grief, please educate yourself and read about this.
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Old 11-15-2017, 09:59 PM
 
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They have. Remember Warren Buffett's Burger King tax inversion? Moved the company headquarters to Canada for its lower corporate tax rates.
Yep add Jim Sinegal to the list of corporate allies of the Obama Admin whose rhetoric and actions contradict one another. Jim Sinegal who spoke at the Democratic National Convention and supported Obama's tax hike... But then voted voted for a special dividend costing $3 billion to be paid before the end of the year so they wouldn't have to pay higher taxes.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:06 PM
 
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I'm not talking about the media. Haven't you read any of this bill. Good grief, please educate yourself and read about this.
Oh yes, I remember Schumer lying about it in May.. before he even read anything he was already saying it was a tax cut for the rich who by the way pay 72% of the countries taxes. The problem for Schumer was he was called out on his lie. Oh he tried to spin it but the spin didn't work.
//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...lie-spins.html

I also called it when I said that high tax states (blue states) would hate it because they want the SALT taxes deducted from federal taxes essentially short changing the federal coffers while these high tax states can't get their spending under control.
//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...atriotism.html

So yes, as a matter of fact I do understand it and I know you don't have a clue and just parroting exactly what they want you to parrot... the same ole rhetoric.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:10 PM
 
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I'm not talking about the media. Haven't you read any of this bill. Good grief, please educate yourself and read about this.
Democrats don't want you to keep more of their money so with the media being an extension of the Democratic party, their job is to convince you what they want you to believe. And you're falling for it lol.

Good grief, I'll bet you do a 1040EZ, do you even itemize?
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:12 PM
 
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Oh yes, I remember Schumer lying about it this summer when they just started talking about it. Only he was called on it.
//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...lie-spins.html

I also called it when I said that high tax states (blue states) would hate it because they want the SALT taxes deducted from federal taxes essentially short changing the federal coffers while these high tax states can't get their spending under control.
//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...atriotism.html

So yes, as a matter of fact I do understand it and I know you don't have a clue and just parroting exactly what they want you to parrot... the same ole rhetoric.
I don't parrot anyone and I'm not going to argue with you. Read the bill please then get back to me. It benefits the rich...just read it without listening to anyone and decide for yourself what it does for you.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:15 PM
 
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I don't parrot anyone and I'm not going to argue with you. Read the bill please then get back to me. It benefits the rich...just read it without listening to anyone and decide for yourself what it does for you.
You do parrot. Every time you say it benefits the rich without anything to back it up you're parroting. psst... I haven't been listening to anyone else. Oh and did you read the links... Schumer started this rhetoric clear back in May before there was much of anything to read. Obviously just warming up.

Just more of the same...
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:18 PM
 
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I don't parrot anyone and I'm not going to argue with you. Read the bill please then get back to me. It benefits the rich...just read it without listening to anyone and decide for yourself what it does for you.
Good grief, Do you even itemize? I'll bet you do a 1040EZ and pay someone to do it for you and then want to claim you know what you're talking about.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:22 PM
 
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I was just watching a new speech Jordan Peterson posted and around 55:20 he was talking about George Orwell's take on socialists (as a socialist himself) and also his own past experience...


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PfH8IG7Awk0

The point they both made is that there were some people motivated by actual desire to help the working class, but when you actually examine many people's motivations, they're driven by a desire to punish the bourgeoisie, or upper classes. It's not even that they don't care about helping people, but that the higher motivation is envy and tearing down the rich/upper class, and that envy is deliberately whipped up by people with an agenda.

The most dangerous part is that this focus on class warfare, used by Russia and China in the past, is alive and well. I think people should be aware of how those people were manipulated by pitting different groups against each other, playing on their envy, etc. because you're seeing it today with the talk of privilege, racism, sexism, etc.

Same story, just rebranded and sold in different packaging. It's a great speech, and worth watching even if it's little chunks at a time.
So are you a rich person in America who feels under attack? or what is your purpose for posting this?
I'm sure with Trump at the helm the bourgeoisie will be fine ....as always.

What is even more hilarious is how many poor Americans support the Republican party.
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