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Old 11-16-2017, 09:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You are proving my point as you refuse to admit that you want total destruction of the trade union movement
That makes no sense. The European countries that have their middle class in their top marginal tax rate bracket have supposedly "strong unions" yet their median household income is less.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Simplistic nonsense. When the super rich are given supreme power, who will write anti-trust legislation? Who will write trade deals? Who will staff the court system? No court system? No anti-trust legislation? No trade deals? No prison system? What will happen in your utopia is simply that the super rich will create their own system that the rest will have to abide by, or else face the power of the militia funded by the oligarchy.
I don't even know what you're talking about now.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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That makes no sense. The European countries that have their middle class in their top marginal tax rate bracket have supposedly "strong unions" yet their median household income is less.
Strong unions ensure much lower income inequality. Thats what Europe has. They have low inequality, work far less hours for the income they have (so hourly pay is higher) and have far more extensive public services which do not have to be paid for out of pocket (so the median income does not have to be spent on $40 000 a year child care and college or $100 000 a year cancer treatment). You want the opposite, you want a Mexican style system of sky high inequality, no unions, and since you are a strong Trump supporter, you dont want a national VAT tax and instead want much lower taxes on the rich, like in Mexico. Why not embrace this agenda of turning America into Mexico instead of pretending you want the opposite of Trump who you voted for?
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:38 AM
 
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I don't even know what you're talking about now.
Not surprising. As soon as you are challenged with your "eliminate the state" rhetoric, and are asked to go into specifics, you are at a loss.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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So are you a rich person in America who feels under attack? or what is your purpose for posting this?
I'm sure with Trump at the helm the bourgeoisie will be fine ....as always.

What is even more hilarious is how many poor Americans support the Republican party.
I already explained the purpose. It's a common tactic of Marxists to whip up people's envy and resentment, and the results are not good.

And personally, it's hilarious to me that anyone supports either major party.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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I already explained the purpose. It's a common tactic of Marxists to whip up people's envy and resentment, and the results are not good.

And personally, it's hilarious to me that anyone supports either major party.
Its even more hilarious that we have people who use the rhetoric of the Republican Party yet claim they are independent thinkers who do not support the agenda of the super rich.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:43 AM
 
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Not surprising. As soon as you are challenged with your "eliminate the state" rhetoric, and are asked to go into specifics, you are at a loss.
Well first, I don't see any argument changing your mind so I don't see the point. Second, I expect you to explain specifically how the rich will gain "supreme power" and control everyone.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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Well first, I don't see any argument changing your mind so I don't see the point. Second, I expect you to explain specifically how the rich will gain "supreme power" and control everyone.
I asked you a specific question. How will anti-trust legislation and trade deals be hashed out in your system of no government and massive income and wealth inequality? How about the court system and prison system? Be specific please.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Its even more hilarious that we have people who use the rhetoric of the Republican Party yet claim they are independent thinkers who do not support the agenda of the super rich.
The problem is that there's no way to even argue against what you're saying. You just assert that I'm supporting the agenda of the super rich because I care about property rights. Fine, believe that.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:47 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Strong unions ensure much lower income inequality.
Doesn't seem so. Sweden has more billionaires per capita than the US.
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