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Old 11-16-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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Very sad and disgusting. The "moral" party strikes again...

 
Old 11-16-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by North Beach Person View Post
There is in a couple of the countries. It's not so much overpopulation of elephants but creeping settlement and crop damage. The theory, and actuality, is that the villagers will kill the elephants in any event, which would be poaching. At least with hunting there's economic benefit which is supposed to make it back to the impacted areas. But, since it's Africa in general and Zimbabwe, for one, specifically, that likely doesn't much happen.
^^^In Zimbabwe (first link by S_G) the "industry employs few people and the money from hunt
fees that trickles down to needy villagers is minimal." And yes, the government in Zimbabwe
is corrupt.
There was a lengthy documentary about villagers and farmers who were having a problem
with some elephants and their crops. Researchers found out that elephants are afraid of bees.
BBC - Earth - How to scare off the biggest pest in the world


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Originally Posted by Suburban_Guy View Post
Don't believe the myth that these sick organized hunts benefit either the locals or the elephants.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...babwe-namibia/
adding:
"The Zambia Elephant Census estimates the animal's numbers have declined from 200,000 in
1972 to a little more than 21,000 last year." (2016)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c71954541588


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Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
Whether you like it not they are a commodity and that is not going to change. You need to look at this from the perspective of someone that lives there. Poaching the elephant provides you with three benefits. It's one less elephant that can damage your crops, you get some meat and various parts of the animal like the tusks for example can be sold on the black market.
By sanctioning these hunts and putting a huge price on them you can alleviate many of these problems.
They are not a commodity to be exploited or hunted for making trinkets or hanging their heads
on a wall to show off. What's wrong with going to a safari and using a camera?
On another note, so much for progress with this reverse ban:
https://www.kcet.org/food/the-myths-of-medicinal-ivory

Want to see Africa, go one a safari and even experience something like this.
Africa Cultural Safari Experience With AfricanMecca Safaris

These are intelligent creatures. That trophy was part of a close community. Excellent decision -NOT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYHCQhMQNmU
 
Old 11-16-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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Trump admin. to reverse ban on elephant trophies from Africa - ABC News

Guess Uday and Qusay wanted to bring home some more participation trophies.
What the heck is wrong with these people?!? Have they lost their minds?
 
Old 11-16-2017, 10:46 AM
 
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Africa defends it as some sort of conservation thing but from what I understand that's a load of horse crap.

It's basically just a business scheme and rich people that don't feel guilty about killing exotic and/or rare animals. and the land owners in Africa profit from it big time.
 
Old 11-16-2017, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Southeastern North Carolina
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I hope that all of Trump's blue collar deplorable voters are happy now that Dear Leader has eliminated that burdensome regulation that prevented them from bringing home the trophies from their leisurely African safaris. #MAGA!
 
Old 11-16-2017, 11:17 AM
 
Location: London
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We have a lot of "ugly Americans" posting here that seem to think that the US is the center of the universe and that our laws will protect a species globally and that others will see the error of their cultural ways once we *sniff* point out what they are doing wrong.
There's no way to stop other countries from doing things like this, but let's not have the US contributing to this abhorrent practice.
 
Old 11-16-2017, 11:27 AM
 
Location: London
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If you want to preserve a species you make it a marketable commodity, not a protected species.
You think cows are going to be extinct at any time?
Sure worked great for these animals:

https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/an...unted-to-death
 
Old 11-16-2017, 11:29 AM
 
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Old 11-16-2017, 11:29 AM
 
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The first guy that posts pictures from his latest elephant hunt will likely go thru the same thing that man that hunted lions did, in other words, his life and his families lives will be ruined.
I hope so.
 
Old 11-16-2017, 11:29 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Just when I cannot despise this man more, a new depth of rage emerges.
I could not agree more. It's like everything he touches turns to chit.
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