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Old 11-18-2017, 12:05 PM
 
Location: London
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won't double.

Short-term rise, followed by drop in crime when Jr knows older bro who he thought gets slap on wrist is not coming home.

Animals in cages where they belong when they can't live in civilized society= Less Crime
While we're at it, why not just execute everyone immediately for the slightest crime? That'll teach em.

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Old 11-18-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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I agree this would make a massive difference. I also think unless the offence was violent that employers have no business asking if you have a criminal record.
I agree with this. Unfortunately in this Information Age even an arrest and no conviction can be found by a determined employer. I think we should rethink what should be public information and what should be sealed.
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Old 11-18-2017, 01:48 PM
 
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So you want the opposite long sentences no rehabilitation?
For violent crimes, absolutely. Let the thug out perhaps at age 75, he'll be too feeble to do more harm.
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Old 11-18-2017, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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For violent crimes, absolutely.
Oh for violent crimes throw the book at em I agree with that. However for other offences I think we are to harsh.
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Old 11-18-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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How much more in taxes are you willing to pay? There are no societies with a massive prison population that have low crime. You are arguing against reality. The closest you would get is the Soviet Union. Huge prison population, massive taxes to pay for this slave labor. Are you prepared to see your taxes double? You are essentially calling for a huge big government on stereoids.
Prison costs per prisoner could drop massively if we disallow amenities. Just a building with cells and walls, and a basic kitchen.

No cable tv, no recreation equipment, no library.
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Old 11-18-2017, 01:58 PM
 
Location: London
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For violent crimes, absolutely. Let the thug out perhaps at age 75, he'll be too feeble to do more harm.
What about things like being caught with pot or prostitution?
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Old 11-18-2017, 02:02 PM
 
Location: London
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I agree with this. Unfortunately in this Information Age even an arrest and no conviction can be found by a determined employer. I think we should rethink what should be public information and what should be sealed.
This is very true. And it's not just employers either. Finding a place to live can prove impossible.

How are people supposed to rejoin society if they're pushed away at every turn?

After serving their sentence, their debts to society should be considered paid. If that's undesirable because of safety concerns, then they shouldn't be let out yet.
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Old 11-18-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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What about things like being caught with pot or prostitution?
pot should be a short sentence, being a john should be a fine
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Old 11-18-2017, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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This is very true. And it's not just employers either. Finding a place to live can prove impossible.

How are people supposed to rejoin society if they're pushed away at every turn?

After serving their sentence, their debts to society should be considered paid. If that's undesirable because of safety concerns, then they shouldn't be let out yet.
Basically the record serves as a double punishment despite having done time in prison they are still punished and denied housing and jobs and people wonder why they return to crime.
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Old 11-18-2017, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Prison costs per prisoner could drop massively if we disallow amenities. Just a building with cells and walls, and a basic kitchen.

No cable tv, no recreation equipment, no library.
Whatever savings would be gained with this would be lost to the need for more guards and personnel.

With nothing to do, prisoners are going to get into trouble. When locked down so tightly they can't get into trouble, the isolation makes them mad, and that only increases the expense.

Your plan was already tried in the Super Max prisons. They are all being closed now because they cost so much and put the prison system into too many lawsuits that were being lost.

I have nothing against restricting any of the things you mentioned, but when they are removed, all it causes is expense and trouble. The restrictions can actually be used as rewards and punishments which help to keep the peace.

Remember that almost all will eventually be released. Remove too much from them and create monsters. Give them something constructive to occupy their minds, and there won't be many monsters walking the streets.
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