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Old 11-25-2017, 10:30 PM
 
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Yep, anyone who has common sense knows that you never allow too much power in the hands of a few because the few will surely abuse that power.

For some reason liberals think that politicians care about them yet ignore that these same politicians did nothing for them but they sure amassed a fortune for themselves.


No politician cares about any of us regardless of party. They are all bought and paid for by lobbyists.
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Old 11-26-2017, 01:12 AM
 
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Socialists tend to be evil, dangerous or stupid people. They should be shunned, like lepers and pedophiles.
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Old 11-26-2017, 12:19 PM
 
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When the Pilgrims first landed in America, their governor William Bradford writes that they set up an economic system very similar to socialism, where everything they produced went into a common pools, and each person was allowed to take only what he needed to survive. Inevitably, some produced little, and even stole from others to get enough to eat. Other complained that they were being required to produce for the ones that didn't and their families. The result was that little was produced, and many starved.

After a few years of that, Gov. Bradford abolished their socialistic system. He gave each family their own land, and each was allowed to keep whatever they produced. And starvation quickly stopped, with far more produced that in past years.

Today we still have a number of people who are ignorant of the results of their desired socialistic systems, and who are determined to force all of us to repeat them.

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Made up nonsense.
socialism in a pure form has hardly ever been advocated by anyone in the world since the early 1900s.
but what does work is socializing services in capitalist nations.


Which is why every nation socializes most services to benefit all of the people. The underlying issue here is a few extremists trying to pretend national healthcare for everyone would be like communism. meanwhile the rest of the world has socialized medicine and benefits greatly from it...
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Old 11-26-2017, 12:57 PM
 
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Lobbyists get all the blame but they are simply doing a job. Nothing wrong with that..
The hangman does a job also......

No one is "simply doing a job". Your work involves some kind of decisions which have an effect on others.
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Old 11-26-2017, 01:03 PM
 
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The hangman does a job also......
Am I to assume you are anti-death penalty like I am? Is the wrong in the job he does his fault or ours for allowing it?

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No one is "simply doing a job". Your work involves some kind of decisions which have an effect on others.
Everyone that works can be condemned under this outlook. The 16 year old taking your order could be condemned for helping sell lousy food.
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Old 11-26-2017, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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No politician cares about any of us regardless of party. They are all bought and paid for by lobbyists.
And controlled by the people up the food chain from the lobbyists.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:01 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Am I to assume you are anti-death penalty like I am? Is the wrong in the job he does his fault or ours for allowing it?



Everyone that works can be condemned under this outlook. The 16 year old taking your order could be condemned for helping sell lousy food.
Just following orders and doing a job is not a legitimate defense when the job is immoral.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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Just following orders and doing a job is not a legitimate defense when the job is immoral.
I don't disagree that it's immoral. Again, is that his fault or ours?
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Old 11-20-2018, 11:20 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Those of the OPs ilk are continually trying to imply that their liberal opponents are promoting and practicing some sort of socialist/communist policy or ideology. This is not true at all. Compassion for others and a willingness to share essentials, with those who are in need, is not at all of that type of social or economic system.
If that compassion and willingness were sufficiently prevalent, then government laws forcing people to turn over their own resources to others would not be necessary.

But once the govt starts pretending "compassion" (actually a cover for vote-buying), the compassion and giving from private people inevitably decline, partly because people have less to give (more is going to forced government wealth transfer), and partly because they can sit back and say "well, the govt is taking care of it so now I don't have to".
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Compassion for others and a willingness to share essentials, with those who are in need, is not at all of that type of social or economic system.
That's true, compassion and willingness to share are not that type of economic system. But that's not what we're seeing from the left. We are seeing government coercion and forced wealth transfer that amounts to little more than theft and distribution of stolen goods. It is, in fact, exactly the kind of economic system described in the OP. And there isn't anything "compassionate" about govt-forced transfers.
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Old 11-20-2018, 11:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Made up nonsense.
TRANSLATION: I can't refute any of it. So I'll call it names and hope somebody believes me.
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