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Turn it around - .1 or .2 the other way sends the alarmists into orgasmic episodes of glee - the "theory" must be right! The temperature has risen a tenth of a degree! Disaster!
What you've got to understand is that the other times we've had a sustained rise in global temperature of 4 degrees it has killed every living thing above the microscopic level, and took 8-10,000 years to accomplish. We've had a 2.2 degree rise since 1880 and you want to argue about 1934 versus 1998 or whatever? How is that important?
Wow! Look what has happened in the last 30 years - even with an alleged increase in temperature.
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I'd rather be a "Goreacle" than a tool for big oil.
Whoops! Here's the other debate talking point. Right - I'm sure all those scientists are in the pocket of big oil and are just doing their evil, dirty work for them - willing to compromise their integrity, career, honor and credentials to help out big oil.
What you've got to understand is that the other times we've had a sustained rise in global temperature of 4 degrees it has killed every living thing above the microscopic level, and took 8-10,000 years to accomplish. We've had a 2.2 degree rise since 1880 and you want to argue about 1934 versus 1998 or whatever? How is that important?
Tell me; what is the optimum temperature of the earth - I've asked numerous times and no one can tell me.
Tell me; what effects ice shelfs, glaciers and ice sheets - temperature or precipitation?
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other times we've had a sustained rise in global temperature of 4 degrees it has killed every living thing above the microscopic level, and took 8-10,000 years to accomplish
4 degrees from what?
You do realize that the frozen wasteland just north of the US was once a veritable tropical forest, teeming and thriving with life? You must know that it was much, much hotter at that time than it is today?
Wow! Look what has happened in the last 30 years - even with an alleged increase in temperature.
You misinterpreted the maps. You are supposed to look at the colored areas. Snow cover (white) is not shown on the 1979 map, which might make it seem like there is more sea ice in 2008. From the page:
Historic snow cover data not displayed on these images. Sea ice concentrations less than 30% are not displayed in these images. Snow cover data is displayed only for most recent dates.
Also, do everyone a favor and compare dates that are similar to each other. You had Nov 1979 and Dec 2008
Observed global sea ice area, defined here as a sum of N. Hemisphere and S.
Hemisphere sea ice areas, is near or slightly lower than those observed in late 1979, as noted in the Daily Tech article. However, observed N. Hemisphere sea ice area is almost one million sq. km below values seen in late 1979 and S. Hemisphere sea ice area is about 0.5 million sq. km above that seen in late 1979, partly offsetting the N. Hemisphere reduction.
People are getting wise to Gores nonsense, 59% don't believe humans are causing "Climate Change" aka "wealth redistribution".
44% Say Global Warming Due To Planetary Trends, Not People (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/issues2/articles/44_say_global_warming_due_to_planetary_trends_not_ people - broken link)
Note to Gore and Obama from Abe:
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You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Abraham Lincoln
Tell me; what is the optimum temperature of the earth - I've asked numerous times and no one can tell me.
Tell me; what effects ice shelfs, glaciers and ice sheets - temperature or precipitation?
4 degrees from what?
You do realize that the frozen wasteland just north of the US was once a veritable tropical forest, teeming and thriving with life? You must know that it was much, much hotter at that time than it is today?[/quote]
Lets see, don't know what you're asking for on the first.
On the second, I don't know that there is one. As far as humans, research shows we function best at about 40 degrees, essentially the temperature at which we evloved.
On the ice shelves, both.
From the temperature before the increase.
The frozen wasteland that's rapidly melting? No not "much, much hotter", slightly warmer. 1-2 degrees is plenty to melt is all, as we are in the process of demonstrating.
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