So who was a Better President? (black president, speech, military, Michigan)

[baileyvpotter]

Originally Posted by mrmondaynight

Reagan was one of the worst. His trickle-down economics were a complete disaster, Iran-Contra is something he and many others in his administration should have been hanged for, there's credible evidence alongside Iran Contra to show that he sabotaged Carter's negotiations, Executive Order 12333 has been a disaster, and I really really hate the cult of personality that Republicans have built up around him.

Reagan took the US from being the largest international creditor to the largest debtor in just 8 years by tripling the national debt. And as much as his party today seems to fear the debt, this always seems to be ignored.

His actions in Central America were horrible, supporting genocidal dictators, yet he managed to keep his name separate somehow and this is generally forgotten. Lets not even get started on the whole "Just Say No" disaster that put hundreds of thousands of minorities in prison for petty drug offenses.

When heroin was a people of color problem it was a cash cow for America. More cops more prisons more methadone more crime. Inner cities were allowed to have open air drug markets while their neighborhoods were being destroyed. White people are now the face of the U.S. drug crisis. Hence, talk of treatment, not jail. And certainly no "war."

^^^rep.

List of Reagan administration convictions:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2005/10/17/157477/-

and:
https://listverse.com/2015/01/15/10-...ronald-reagan/

Included in the link is the Reagan Administration Response about AIDS
6 Ways You Didn't Realize Ronald Reagan Ruined The Country

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale

I will defer to the historians of this good country, who have studied this much more than I ever will. Their ranking of recent presidents over the past 60 years:

5. Eisenhower
8. Kennedy
9. Reagan
10. Johnson
12. Obama
15. Clinton
20. H.W. Bush
25. Ford
26. Carter
33. W. Bush

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ankings-235149

Unless there's a revolutionary change in his behavior, I expect Trump to be ranked dead last after he leaves office.

Where did Tricky Dick rate on that list?

[r small]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Where did Tricky Dick rate on that list?

I'd rate Nixxon pretty low. About on a level with W.

[BoxmanSneaks]

Barack Obama also left office with a lower unemployment rate than Ronald Reagan. Obama left it at 4.8 percent while Reagan left office at 5.4 or 5.5 percent. Still Reagan created more jobs than Obama.

[Loveshiscountry]

Originally Posted by BoxmanSneaks

Barack Obama also left office with a lower unemployment rate than Ronald Reagan. Obama left it at 4.8 percent while Reagan left office at 5.4 or 5.5 percent. Still Reagan created more jobs than Obama.

And Obama created much more welfare.

[Pilot1]

Reagan was a long time ago, and either a lot of people weren't around, or just forget how great a President he was.

[G1..]

Originally Posted by Pilot1

Reagan was a long time ago, and either a lot of people weren't around, or just forget how great a President he was.

..............you mean forget about how bad he really was!

[G1..]

Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry

And Obama created much more welfare.

No, he stopped the lying the former presidents had been doing.

[michiganmoon]

Originally Posted by G1..

No, he stopped the lying the former presidents had been doing.

You probably are serious, and I feel sorry for you. Such is the current state of politics that we sheepishly think that our party's president doesn't lie.

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it' | PolitiFact

https://www.yahoo.com/news/seymour-h...204437397.html

https://sharylattkisson.com/2015/03/...t-of-the-loop/

http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...erry_died.html

https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpres.../15/obama-252/

Etc....

Originally Posted by r small

I'd rate Nixxon pretty low. About on a level with W.

Nixon did do some good things. Opened up relations with China, SALT I, Détente, etc...

He won reelection with 49 of 50 states...that wasn't an accident.

Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale

I will defer to the historians of this good country, who have studied this much more than I ever will. Their ranking of recent presidents over the past 60 years:

5. Eisenhower
8. Kennedy
9. Reagan
10. Johnson
12. Obama
15. Clinton
20. H.W. Bush
25. Ford
26. Carter
33. W. Bush

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ankings-235149

Unless there's a revolutionary change in his behavior, I expect Trump to be ranked dead last after he leaves office.

Eisenhower is IMHO, the best president the past 60 years. That list is pretty fair.

[Hopeful for Life]

Originally Posted by stockwiz

Reagan, but Obama isn't as bad as he's made out by republicans. My main beef is he continued the victim card when he could have set himself as an example of what a black person can do when they work hard and clean up their act. The entitlement mentality is as strong as ever in the US when people don't put in any work why should they expect any result?

How did he continue the "victim card"? If anything, I think that he brushed aside any insults to himself and his family with much class and dignity. He dealt with many racial attacks from the racists of the opposing party that no previous POTUS had to deal with.