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That's one of the most frustrating things. People don't even see how much more they'd have. Some may say "yeah, but you'd still be paying for those things even without taxes, so you don't really get much richer", but...
a) you'd be choosing whether the good or service is worth paying for anymore, as opposed to a one-size-fits-all package of things that you can't even refuse
and
b) the government is far more inefficient and wasteful, in large part because there's no mechanism for pricing. Prices are found based on a two-way negotiation, so the price really isn't held in check if one side can just force purchases on everyone.
I don't think people realize how much of our wealth is just wasted, and how much richer we could all be. But....unseen costs are easy to overlook, and harder to understand. Far easier to argue based on what exists now.
That's one of the most frustrating things. People don't even see how much more they'd have. Some may say "yeah, but you'd still be paying for those things even without taxes, so you don't really get much richer", but...
a) you'd be choosing whether the good or service is worth paying for anymore, as opposed to a one-size-fits-all package of things that you can't even refuse
and
b) the government is far more inefficient and wasteful, in large part because there's no mechanism for pricing. Prices are found based on a two-way negotiation, so the price really isn't held in check if one side can just force purchases on everyone.
I don't think people realize how much of our wealth is just wasted, and how much richer we could all be. But....unseen costs are easy to overlook, and harder to understand. Far easier to argue based on what exists now.
China is a great example.
When the government controlled everything literally from the way you thought to how many babies you could have, it created the largest famine in human history and it was a giant crap hole. Hey, they got income equality, free housing, universal health care, free school through college, free this free that, the whole shebang.
When the government let loose just a little, it became the manufacturing center of the world, second largest economy, and poised to overtake US as the largest economy in 20 years.
What are you talking about? Competing currencies would be worthless, as money is only worth as much as the seller thinks it is, and if the seller thinks no one else would value that currency, then they won't accept it. That is the biggest point.
Even workers are sellers, as we sell our labor to an employer. I wouldn't let my employer pay me in a currency that I couldn't use because no one would accept it.
And usury will be a thing as long as people and businesses need credit
Currency can be paper money, time, magic beans, real beans, lending out your vagina/penis for X minutes...all kinds of wonderful things between consenting adults.
Think outside that box my friend. You'll get there.
Usury is a product of mandatory universal currency. If you have to pay the tax man in coconuts you better damn well earn your living by collecting coconuts.
All these pages, and still no one has demonstrated that taxation is theft.
It's self-evident. Taxation is an involuntary conversion of personal property (i.e., theft, for people who prefer words of one syllable.)
If you think taxes are voluntary, then you'll have to explain why the IRS has hundreds of thousands of automatic weapons and millions of rounds of ammunition at its disposal.
Here's your clue, dude: Taxes aren't voluntary. And if somebody ends up with your stuff when you didn't voluntarily give it to them, then they probably stole it.
Put another way...when the taxman sticks one of those automatic weapons in your face and demands payment, you'll have no trouble understanding that they're stealing the money from you. It will, at that point, become crystal clear, like nothing else in your life before or after. At that point, you will understand that you essentially exist to serve a government that will steal everything from you if you let it.
Oh, by the way...welcome to reality. We hope you enjoy your stay.
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Originally Posted by Milton Miteybad
It's self-evident. Taxation is an involuntary conversion of personal property (i.e., theft, for people who prefer words of one syllable.)
If you think taxes are voluntary, then you'll have to explain why the IRS has hundreds of thousands of automatic weapons and millions of rounds of ammunition at its disposal.
Here's your clue, dude: Taxes aren't voluntary. And if somebody ends up with your stuff when you didn't voluntarily give it to them, then they probably stole it.
Put another way...when the taxman sticks one of those automatic weapons in your face and demands payment, you'll have no trouble understanding that they're stealing the money from you. It will, at that point, become crystal clear, like nothing else in your life before or after. At that point, you will understand that you essentially exist to serve a government that will steal everything from you if you let it.
Funny that that's NEVER happened to me, or anyone I know. Then again, I and my friends and family aren't tax cheats
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