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View Poll Results: Will Trump try and pardon Flynn?
Yes 60 31.58%
Maybe 49 25.79%
No 81 42.63%
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Old 12-15-2017, 06:09 PM
 
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This is all a moot point anyhow if we find out the FBI used the Russian 'dossier' for get the FISA warrant that was used to wire tap Flynn. ...
You are either misinformed or confused.

The Trump-Russian dossier was not obtained illegally by the FBI. It was handed over, fair and square.

There is no "fruit of the poisoned tree" argument here. FBI didn't illegally wiretap anyone. Didn't find it during an illegal search.

They got a tip and followed up.
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Old 12-15-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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In Flynn's case, the FBI has said they don't believe he intended to lie, but that he lied none-the-less. Let that sink in, he didn't even intend to lie.
Please post a link to this as this is the first I've read about the FBI stating that they don't believe Flynn intended to lie.
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Old 12-15-2017, 06:21 PM
 
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If the FISA warrant was acquired using the unverified 'dossier', then all of this is going to be thrown out. Flynn, Manafort, the whole crew will walk and then sue the living daylights out of the FBI.

If it turns out the FISA warrant wasn't acquired using the unverified 'dossier', then Flynn still has a great shot at getting his case throw out due to the fact that he was not advised that he was being formally interviewed, had no attorney present and that Peter Strzok, the now demoted Trump-hater, personally handled Flynn's case.

I don't think Trump is going to have to pardon anyone.
He has pled guilty. Its not going to suddenly disappear. LOL. And the "unverified" dossier has had multiple parts of it verified. And Peter Strzok also hated a lot of Democrats too. Even more interesting is that Strzok wasnt in favor of charging Flynn! But it was not his call.

You're literally being distracted from facts and reality by propaganda. Also Strzok left the investigation months ago.
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Old 12-15-2017, 07:05 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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I haven't heard, read or otherwise seen that anywhere.
"The Wall Street Journal noted on Saturday — that former FBI Director James Comey told the House Intelligence Committee on March 2 that Flynn had not lied to the FBI, but had merely forgotten what had been said in his conversations."


WSJ: The Flynn Information-He pleads guilty to a charge the FBI once said it wouldn’t prosecute.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fly...ion-1512172863


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Old 12-15-2017, 07:14 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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You are either misinformed or confused.

The Trump-Russian dossier was not obtained illegally by the FBI. It was handed over, fair and square.

There is no "fruit of the poisoned tree" argument here. FBI didn't illegally wiretap anyone. Didn't find it during an illegal search.

They got a tip and followed up.
Reading comprehension my friend. I didn't say the dossier was illegally acquired by the FBI, although it may have been. It remains to be seen what hand Bruce Ohr and his wife Nellie Ohr played in compiling the 'dossier' or if the FBI funded it. Paying Russian intelligence operatives for this unverified information may also have been illegal.

What I said was that if the FISA warrant was acquired using the unverified dossier, then this investigation is over. The FISA court does not issue surveillance warrants without verified facts. That's evidenced by the fact that the FBI was turned down by the FISA court on at least one prior occasion trying to spy on Trump. We also know the 'dossier' was unverified so it could not legally have been the impetus to acquire the FISA warrant, unless the FBI misrepresented the information or the FISA judge was in on it with the FBI.

The dossier may not have been what got the warrant to wire tap Trump tower and the Trump team, but the fact that they refuse to provide the FISA application to the congressional investigators looks suspicious, as does the judge in the Flynn case recusing himself just before we learned he's also a FISA judge.

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Old 12-15-2017, 07:28 PM
 
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He should have just pleaded the Fifth like someone from the IRS did. Or they could just find him in contempt of Congress and then leave him in office, like they did with a certain Attorney General with initials EH.
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Old 12-15-2017, 07:29 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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He has pled guilty. Its not going to suddenly disappear. LOL. And the "unverified" dossier has had multiple parts of it verified. And Peter Strzok also hated a lot of Democrats too. Even more interesting is that Strzok wasnt in favor of charging Flynn! But it was not his call.

You're literally being distracted from facts and reality by propaganda. Also Strzok left the investigation months ago.
If the warrant that allowed the FBI to acquire the transcripts of his phone calls, which in turn led to charges of lying to the FBI, was illegally gotten, then all evidence from the phone calls would be thrown out of court & any sentence Flynn might receive would be overturned.

James Comey stated before congress in June 2017 that he met with Trump on Jan 6th 2017 to brief him on the dossier. He said quote "I was briefing him about salacious and unverified material. It was in a context of that that he had a strong and defensive reaction about that not being true.". How could the dossier have been verified back during the campaign, enough so to get a FISA warrant to spy on a presidential candidate, but then have been unverified in January of the following year?
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Old 12-15-2017, 07:49 PM
 
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You are either misinformed or confused.

The Trump-Russian dossier was not obtained illegally by the FBI. It was handed over, fair and square.

There is no "fruit of the poisoned tree" argument here. FBI didn't illegally wiretap anyone. Didn't find it during an illegal search.

They got a tip and followed up.
This "fruit of the poisoned tree" fallacious argument is the uncreative brainchild aka wild-eyed hyperbole of none other than Tom Fitton, president of the right wing advocacy organization Judicial Watch.

Mr. Trump & his legal advisors are likely in a quandary re: considering whether it would be worse for him to fire Mr. Mueller or allow him to finish his work. Either way, he's finished.
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Old 12-15-2017, 07:54 PM
 
Location: FL
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The way things look now, there may be no need for a pardon of Flynn, he could very well have his charges dropped.

I'm not saying this is highly likely, but Flynn now has the right judge handling his case. This judge is known for being aggressive with government corruption, and this whole Russian conspircy theory is blowing up.
Really? How do you think that will happen?
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Old 12-15-2017, 08:00 PM
 
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I haven't heard, read or otherwise seen that anywhere.
I didn't either. It probably came from Hannity.
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