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You talked to the other poster about being wiser than resorting to some logical fallacy to make a point. Well resorting to emotion is just as bad as resorting to your own limited experience to make a point.
Premiums are paid by more than just you and your immediate family. Other people have experience with premium rates before and after Obamacare. That's why you need to look at the picture as a whole, not just the very narrow slice of your experience.
The fact is insurance premiums rose SLOWER the years after Obamacare was passed than the years before. Nothing about the insurance market would have changed the fact that premiums would have risen faster without Obamacare.
Wrong.
They skyrocketed. But of course discredit the argument for it doesn't fit the narrative.
I wasn't the only one who's premiums jumped up
I wasn't the only one who lost coverage. Including that lie if you like your doctor you get to keep them too.... coverage meaning going from a vast network to a limited one, losing PCP, and spending more to get far less... But because it was considered "health insurance" it felt good and that's all that matters right? Everyone had "health insurance" that was the goal. If what I have now is considered health insurance... your standards are far lower than mine buddy...
The premiums went up. Not only did they go up, federal funding propped up something that was indeed destined to crash and burn...
Look at the big picture? I and many others are a part of the big picture but it's irrelevant to you because it doesn't fit the narrative that rates were not rising as fast pre aca...
Everyone I knew loved what they had pre ACA... not 1 can say the same post ACA... Not a single one. Then again I don't affiliate with basement dwelling bums with an entitlement complex with their hands out looking for a freebie.
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This may come as a shock to you but most Americans don't want socailuzed medicine.
What they want is their affordable insurance back that they had before Democrats threw a monkey wrench in their lives trying to force the country into a direction that it ddidn't want to go.
Nope, over 50% of Americans want single payer. It is only Reich Wingers and libertarians don't want it
They skyrocketed. But of course discredit the argument for it doesn't fit the narrative.
I wasn't the only one who's premiums jumped up
I wasn't the only one who lost coverage. Including that lie if you like your doctor you get to keep them too.... coverage meaning going from a vast network to a limited one, losing PCP, and spending more to get far less... But because it was considered "health insurance" it felt good and that's all that matters right? Everyone had "health insurance" that was the goal. If what I have now is considered health insurance... your standards are far lower than mine buddy...
The premiums went up. Not only did they go up, federal funding propped up something that was indeed destined to crash and burn...
Look at the big picture? I and many others are a part of the big picture but it's irrelevant to you because it doesn't fit the narrative that rates were not rising as fast pre aca...
Everyone I knew loved what they had pre ACA... not 1 can say the same post ACA... Not a single one. Then again I don't affiliate with basement dwelling bums with an entitlement complex with their hands out looking for a freebie.
Fact ACA spread the debt.
They don't want to hear it NY_refugee, they didn't listen before the 2016 election and they still haven't learned. Just think of it this way, the more people that bail out because they can't afford the premiums the sooner it will fail.
Hey if people can't afford it no matter how much they IGNORE the problem, people can't afford it and won't buy BOOM --> CRASH!
FYI, here's a secret about Social Security: they DON'T have any money in it. It's just IOU's. (I think the same is true for Medicare.) If we stay on our current track, even the IOUs will be used up.
Social Security and Medicare are about as solvent as the Illinois pension system.
As for the Republicans not caring, you're right on that one. They don't seem to be addressing these major issues. They also failed on the wall, their tax plan leaves much to be desired, they didn't repeal Common Core (they actually made it worse and gave Obama what he wanted in 2015.) And we don't know if they really will pull out of the Paris climate thing. Plus, we still have Obamacare cuz they couldn't repeal it and now it's eventually going to implode, like the Democrats wanted, and then people will suggest single-payer as the "solution", just like the Democrats wanted.
I'm all in favor of ditching the GOP, but I cannot see how we could win third party. Even if Trump or someone from the Tea Party were to run third party, I fear the best they could get was what Theodore Roosevelt got with his Bull Moose (AKA Progressive) Party, when he got more votes than the Republican nominee, but only ended up splitting the votes with the Republican, allowing Wilson to win the general election.
Lincoln won in 1860 because the Democrats were split between two guys in the South, where the Democrat Party was strongest. Ironically, the Democrats probably were the most split this election (over Hillary fans and Bernie fans) and the GOP actually did have a #NeverTrump movement, but what Lincoln had going for him was that most of the parties were never (the Democrat Party was older) and that the more established Whig Party was pretty much finished by 1860, leaving a gap for him to get the Republican Party its first Presidential win.
In order for the a third party to win, the GOP would have to be greatly weakened. Like the Whig Party, they actually are declining due to their RINOism, but the decline of the Whig Party did not just happen in one election cycle.
They skyrocketed. But of course discredit the argument for it doesn't fit the narrative.
I wasn't the only one who's premiums jumped up
I wasn't the only one who lost coverage. Including that lie if you like your doctor you get to keep them too.... coverage meaning going from a vast network to a limited one, losing PCP, and spending more to get far less... But because it was considered "health insurance" it felt good and that's all that matters right? Everyone had "health insurance" that was the goal. If what I have now is considered health insurance... your standards are far lower than mine buddy...
The premiums went up. Not only did they go up, federal funding propped up something that was indeed destined to crash and burn...
Look at the big picture? I and many others are a part of the big picture but it's irrelevant to you because it doesn't fit the narrative that rates were not rising as fast pre aca...
Everyone I knew loved what they had pre ACA... not 1 can say the same post ACA... Not a single one. Then again I don't affiliate with basement dwelling bums with an entitlement complex with their hands out looking for a freebie.
Fact ACA spread the debt.
It's basic MATH. The rate that insurance premiums grew slowed after Obamacare was enacted. That's indisputable fact. If you're still arguing that point, then you're just a liar.
They don't want to hear it NY_refugee, they didn't listen before the 2016 election and they still haven't learned. Just think of it this way, the more people that bail out because they can't afford the premiums the sooner it will fail.
Hey if people can't afford it no matter how much they IGNORE the problem, people can't afford it and won't buy BOOM --> CRASH!
Exactly. I can't understand the logic in their arguments. I really cant. I read the same things over and over again. They'll defend to the death that ACA bill, claim it only failed because Trump...
If it was such a success. Riddle me this. Why is it cheaper for me to claim I don't have insurance and pay out of pocket for services rendered than it is for me to utilize health or dental?
I can't wait to have that one explained. Seriously it is cheaper short of an absolute emergency like a heart attack or stroke to claim you don't have insurance and pay cash, than it is to meet your deductible for every calender year plus premiums.
The minute it's signed and into law. I'm dropping health insurance and laughing straight to the bank.
I encourage everyone to do the same. Ditch your insurance. Stick it to the insurance companies. They'll either have to fold up and shut down or re-think their strategy to keep customers.
Want to stay on, go for it. Enjoy the sky high premiums and deductibles. I'm not playing that game anymore.
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