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Old 12-04-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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In an interview with Axios, Trump’s personal attorney (who claims he drafted the infamous tweet) asserts that the POTUS cannot be guilty of obstruction: Trump's personal lawyer claims the President can't obstruct justice - CNNPolitics

An interesting (scary?) picture is starting to emerge with this legal theory coming from Dowd. I speculate Trump’s defense team had been aware of the legal hot water they were in even before the tweet. This may be their way of publicly admitting Trump had known about Flynn’s misstatements to the FBI back in Jan/Feb rather than letting Mueller’s team extract the information from the administration. It’s a PR stunt to minimize Trump’s appearance of culpability, which, unfortunately for them, has back fired. I’m not sure if Mueller forced their hands into announcing this publicly, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Flynn admitting to the media he is cooperating with the govt had forced Trump’s hands.

So now, Dowd is saying even IF the president had pressured Comey to look the other way or “go easy on Flynn” knowing that Flynn had lied to the FBI, the president still cannot be guilty of obstruction. This is getting into Nixonian territory. Mueller is damn good.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Trump is scared. He is now getting as many people as possible to lie for him. Mueller is getting closer.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:14 AM
 
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Yep remember when Fox was running the whole collusion is not a crime thing 24/7? This is the new that.

This defense wouldn't have worked for Nixon and it ain't gonna work for trump.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:15 AM
 
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If a president cannot be guilty of obstruction of justice, he is not a president but an autocrat.

My conservative friends have better tread water carefully here as if you agree with this, the precedent will be set and the flood gates will be open to all kinds of presidential illegality in the future, and he/she may not be from your party.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:15 AM
 
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Trump thinks he is a king above the law. I am surprised he is not ordering heads chopped off.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Or as Nixon said in a weak attempt to save himself, “Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.”

That worked out well for him.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:16 AM
 
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Obstruction is a specific definition of events that MUST happen in order for it to be obstruction. Simply mentioning that he wishes they would let Flynn go doesn't encompass that. There MUST be a threat of some sort or a quid quo pro for doing it. Neither of those was there.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:19 AM
 
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If people are going to produce Fairy tails threads would they please start them with "Once Upon a Time".

It can't be compared to Watergate because there was a crime that started an investigation. So Nixonian territory it is not.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:20 AM
 
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You know you're guilty when your lawyer starts tossing out BS legal theories.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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It can't be compared to Watergate because there was a crime that started an investigation. So Nixonian territory it is not.
Are you sure?

Watergate = physical break-in of an office

Trump-Russia Scandal = aiding, abetting, conspiring with Russia-sponsored hackers to steal private computer data and disseminating it to the public (a felony)

Both are illegal break-ins for political purposes.
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