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Old 12-07-2017, 05:52 AM
 
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He's a moron because he isn't bowing to radical Islam's pressure?
Exhibit A of why Trump is doing this. It convinces the uneducated that he's a "tough guy" in the Middle East.

 
Old 12-07-2017, 05:56 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Nothing new. You try to appease them and they attack. You work with them and they attack. You do something they don’t like and they attack. Who cares.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 06:00 AM
 
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It's being built on land to the west of the Old City of Jerusalem and not inside of it. This land has been in the hands of Israel since the UN partition in 1948. Israel calls the county of Jerusalem it's capital. It's choice as this part was never in Jordan's hands after the Armistice of 1949. The issue is symbolic. The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 has been enacted and no further POTUS can waive it and thus no future POTUS has to deal with it. Knowing the way gov't contracts work and actual work getting started the US will have another POTUS in place by then. Keep in mind that it's not even funded yet. So all it is right now is a symbolic gesture.
But should President Trump have made such a declaration? Wasn't it, in essence, done just to stir the proverbial poop?
 
Old 12-07-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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Nothing new. You try to appease them and they attack. You work with them and they attack. You do something they don’t like and they attack. Who cares.
Appease?

Work with?

How did Trump's declaration do either of these things?
 
Old 12-07-2017, 06:04 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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I wonder what Trump got in return, Art of the Deal. Reduced aid to Israel, halt of settlements, anything.
What the US gets out of it awaits to be seen. This is a follow up to the first time in history that the US established an official, permanent military base in Israel back in September. There will be no reduced aid to Israel as it is per Treaty and not USAID. It was set in stone for 10 more years by Obama. There will be no halt of settlements expansions as that is paid for by citizens and not funded by governments. Fyi, when Israel gives authorization to build more buildings all that means is that court system has gone through all the claims and certified certain plats to be built on. The Israeli gov't does not blindly allow building just for the sake of it.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 06:07 AM
 
Location: NC
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It's being built on land to the west of the Old City of Jerusalem and not inside of it. This land has been in the hands of Israel since the UN partition in 1948. Israel calls the county of Jerusalem it's capital. It's choice as this part was never in Jordan's hands after the Armistice of 1949. The issue is symbolic. The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 has been enacted and no further POTUS can waive it and thus no future POTUS has to deal with it. Knowing the way gov't contracts work and actual work getting started the US will have another POTUS in place by then. Keep in mind that it's not even funded yet. So all it is right now is a symbolic gesture.
Perhaps true (although I thought the claim included East Jerusalem as well, but moot for this response), but isn't the bigger issue that he unilaterally declared the outcome for this ongoing disagreement in favor of one side? It seems he blew all of his negotiating power to get anything from anyone.

Bigger than that, as I predicted earlier in the thread, he has awakened Anti-American sentiment to levels we have not seen in a long time. At a time when Saudi is in possible transition, he has made a move that will call the radicals to action. We can almost be assured there will be attacks on American soil in response to this. So even if he's right about where the capital is, is it worth it? In the long run, he's probably done more to assure Israel won't be recognized than any other act.

IMO, it's a calculated, and he wants to create war. As an anti-Muslim, he can goad them into attacking, and as the Anti-Semite that he is, he has likely assured that Israel will never realize peace. All the while (and as he has stated) he can claim a bogus success on delivering a campaign promise.

he is a dispicable, disgusting, human being. This is perhaps one of his worst examples yet.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 06:09 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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But should President Trump have made such a declaration? Wasn't it, in essence, done just to stir the proverbial poop?
The proverbial poop has been stirred ever since Britain and France walked in at the end of WW1.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Cannes
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Default Who truly benefits from Trumps move on Jerusalem?

So who really benefits from that other than Israel? What is Palestine really gonna do about. Israel is more powerful anyways.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 06:11 AM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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It doesn't make any sense at all. Jerusalem has not been the capital of Israel since the Romans captured and destroyed it in 70 AD almost 2000 years ago. What makes it Israel's now, all of a sudden?

Good question, that begs another.

Did you ask the same question in 1995 when bubba Clinton signed the law making it so?


CN
 
Old 12-07-2017, 06:13 AM
 
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LOL.

Head's continue to explode. Love it.

And Trump was right to move recognize the capital too.
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