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Old 12-07-2017, 10:47 AM
 
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News article from The Hill says that Trump doesn't fully understand the Jerusalem decision

Trump didn't seem to have complete understanding of Jerusalem decision: report | TheHill

Trump did not completely grasp the ramifications of recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital....

Trump wanted to seem "pro-Israel" and focused on "making a deal"
That man can be so naïve.

His incompetence will cost people's lives.

 
Old 12-07-2017, 10:50 AM
 
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It is their nation insofar as the UN declared it to be so. I think that was woefully bad decision making on the UN.

That's why I say it shouldn't be their nation. Should never have been.
The countries sorrounding Israel said the UN borders meant nothing and attacked Israel in order to erase those UN borders. They had their azses handed to them and Israel remade the borders. After their plan failed, the neighbors started crying that the UN borders, which they attacked Israel to erase, should stand.

Tough s***. They attacked Israel to take Israel’s lands and lost. Israel grew. The cost of doing business.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 10:50 AM
 
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Funny. Maybe Mexico should be able to decide to make San Diego it's new capital. Mexico is also a sovereign nation after all and perhaps with more rightful claim to San Diego than Israel has rightful claim of Jerusalem...
Good point.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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True this, but when you have enough Americans thinking in ways that make possible a POTUS like Trump, there is little hope any clearer thinking among them about such things is likely. For those who can think otherwise in any case, the following is the very sad truth...

This latest diplomatic fiasco is another instance of the administration showing utter contempt for the views of the rest of the world. Not one country recognises Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. There is a global consensus that until a settlement is achieved, it is illegitimate to prejudge or predetermine the outcome of negotiations. The US formally assured the Palestinians on this score in inviting them to the 1991 Madrid peace conference.

Of course, there is a lengthy American track record of bias in favour of Israel. No one should have expected fairness on this issue from them or from their boss.

It is now hard to see how a sustainable Palestinian-Israeli agreement is possible. True to Trump form, this is an entirely self-inflicted wound that will long echo in the annals of diplomacy. It will further diminish the already reduced standing of the US, complicating relations with allies, with Muslims and Arabs – and with people of common sense the world over.

Donald Trump’s Jerusalem statement is an act of diplomatic arson

Trump, who was warned against this step by Arab, Middle Eastern and European leaders, has now made resolving the conflict over Palestine much harder, even as he has brought joy to his friends, and to their dangerous, extremist soulmates in Israel. Far from ushering in the “deal of the century”, as he boasted, with this foolish move Trump may usher in the debacle of the century. This is a sad day for international law, for Palestine, and for everyone who cares about peace in the Middle East.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...b-world-israel

Trump is taking us over the edge, and he will not be held responsible for what follows...
 
Old 12-07-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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I think you tried to make the case that it matters who was there first. Right?

In any case, I'd like to talk to anyone who thinks today's problems are going to be resolved by way of ancient world maps and/or history, but we all know that talking to someone driven by their own particular bias rather than what is right or wrong accomplishes nothing.

Just like evidenced by all the opinions being changed as a result of any comments posted in this thread...
Not at all; that’s the point she tried to make.

My point is posted above.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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I think you tried to make the case that it matters who was there first. Right?

In any case, I'd like to talk to anyone who thinks today's problems are going to be resolved by way of ancient world maps and/or history, but we all know that talking to someone driven by their own particular bias rather than what is right or wrong accomplishes nothing.

Just like evidenced by all the opinions being changed as a result of any comments posted in this thread...
Exactly.

Unless of course Pedro and others are suggesting we leave because we weren't here first. According to ancient history of course.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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True this, but when you have enough Americans thinking in ways that make possible a POTUS like Trump, there is little hope any clearer thinking among them about such things is likely. For those who can think otherwise in any case, the following is the very sad truth...

This latest diplomatic fiasco is another instance of the administration showing utter contempt for the views of the rest of the world. Not one country recognises Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. There is a global consensus that until a settlement is achieved, it is illegitimate to prejudge or predetermine the outcome of negotiations. The US formally assured the Palestinians on this score in inviting them to the 1991 Madrid peace conference.

Of course, there is a lengthy American track record of bias in favour of Israel. No one should have expected fairness on this issue from them or from their boss.

It is now hard to see how a sustainable Palestinian-Israeli agreement is possible. True to Trump form, this is an entirely self-inflicted wound that will long echo in the annals of diplomacy. It will further diminish the already reduced standing of the US, complicating relations with allies, with Muslims and Arabs – and with people of common sense the world over.

Donald Trump’s Jerusalem statement is an act of diplomatic arson

Trump, who was warned against this step by Arab, Middle Eastern and European leaders, has now made resolving the conflict over Palestine much harder, even as he has brought joy to his friends, and to their dangerous, extremist soulmates in Israel. Far from ushering in the “deal of the century”, as he boasted, with this foolish move Trump may usher in the debacle of the century. This is a sad day for international law, for Palestine, and for everyone who cares about peace in the Middle East.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...b-world-israel

Trump is taking us over the edge, and he will not be held responsible for what follows...
Dead on. Thanks for the well stated summary of the situation. Yes it is painful to face the truth but this is the reality.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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Would you agree to a two state solution if the UN did to America what it did to Palestine?
It didn’t. You can trace border disputes for any nation back to the beginning of time. What matters is the here and now.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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Good point.
No, it’s a ridiculous point unless you believe San Diego is located in Mexico. Is that what you believe?
 
Old 12-07-2017, 10:54 AM
 
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I wish liberals would do some research before posting stupid chit like this. Congress votes to recognize Jerusalem in 1995. Trump is just the first president to have a set of balls to do
It. Liberals spend to much time trying to appease others at the expense of this
Country.
Congress placed the implementation of that in the hands of the president, and every president up until now was too smart to fall for it.
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