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I don't like Pence and think he is every bit as slimy and gross as Trump but I think he is more mentally stable FWIW. While I would never want him to be president, I would rather he serve the remainder of Trump's term just to keep us out of war.
They all squirm like excited dogs around trump, because they know that he will break every rule in the book so that they can protect their morally righteous high ground self-images. Sleazy dogs cant wait to yank food stamps from single mothers, health insurance from poor disabled children, or medical benefits from retirees. Shameful.
This is a guy with a long history of experience as to how Washington works.
We criticize Ivanka for how little she's been able to influence President Trump's actions; yet we have Mike Pence, VP, with loads of experience and relationships with D.C. - he has had no influence.
Or has he? Saying Mike Pence has no influence is like saying Dick Cheney had no influence.
Steve Bannon gets credit/blame for puppeteering Trump, but Mike Pence should as well.
We already know Pence and his team have been organizing in case something happens to Trump so Pence can take over.
And the leaks? I don't think it was just Reince Priebus or Steve Bannon leaking things. I think Pence leaks a lot of stuff too.
Pence has successfully got Trump to implement the wish list of the donors Pence serves, all while keeping Pence's own name off of the initiatives so he can't be tied to the sloppiness of the implementation, the legal/criminal implications of it, or the backlash when things go wrong.
Whenever things go wrong, Pence goes on TV and says he wasn't aware of this and that. But I don't buy this act of his where he wants us to believe that he knows less than Jon Snow. People have counted all the lies Trump has told either on TV or in tweets, but let's not forget that Pence lies with the best of them as well.
And when Pence inevitably has to be interviewed by Mueller, Pence will cover himself and turn on Trump in a heartbeat if it came down to that. Pence benefitted from Trump's election and will benefit even more if Trump goes down.
I think Pence has been manipulating Trump, the Trump family, and the media. Therefore Pence needs to get just as much blame for how things are going - because 1) he knows better and 2) he is in control.
I don't think you ever followed President Trump's campaign positions.
He is implementing HIS OWN positions, which have existed since he announced, and long before he ever thought of Mike Pence at all. In fact you can see him making the same policy complaints for DECADES especially about trade.
Jeeze, people even criticized the Pence pick because of their differences in policy beliefs. And it was PENCE who changed - they called it flip flopping. ESPECIALLY on trade. Just for starters.
It's hard to take any of these claims seriously when no actual facts are stated, just a bunch of generic rants.
Also hilarious to claim "Pence's donors" are running the show when everybody knows the GOPe donors HATE Trump and his policies.
Ryan is barely able to choke them down with a straight face. One of the biggest of the GOPe frauds.
I have to assume you only followed the Democratic side of the Primaries and General and are not in tune with anything about the GOP (e). But nothing is going on as you stated, in my opinion and knowledge.
Don't you guys think you should maybe wait on Pence's Articles of Impeachment until he becomes President? I realize a couple of you started talking about impeaching Trump and then going after Pence about two minutes after the Wisconsin results came in last year but you're still a tad premature.
A note. Impeachment is an indictment. The Senate is then the "jury".
I don't think you ever followed President Trump's campaign positions.
He is implementing HIS OWN positions, which have existed since he announced, and long before he ever thought of Mike Pence at all. In fact you can see him making the same policy complaints for DECADES especially about trade.
Jeeze, people even criticized the Pence pick because of their differences in policy beliefs. And it was PENCE who changed - they called it flip flopping. ESPECIALLY on trade. Just for starters.
It's hard to take any of these claims seriously when no actual facts are stated, just a bunch of generic rants.
Also hilarious to claim "Pence's donors" are running the show when everybody knows the GOPe donors HATE Trump and his policies.
Ryan is barely able to choke them down with a straight face. One of the biggest of the GOPe frauds.
I have to assume you only followed the Democratic side of the Primaries and General and are not in tune with anything about the GOP (e). But nothing is going on as you stated, in my opinion and knowledge.
You assume wrong. The Republican party does not give a damn about following the word of God. The party uses it as a carrot to dangle in front of the bible belt for votes. All the Republican party cares about is keeping power for those in the Republican party. That's why they sold their soul for Trump (and will do for Roy Moore) - they just want the power. And Trump is implementing an agenda that keeps power concentrated in a way that benefits the Republican party. Pence is all for this.
Pence is by far the most conservative person we have seen so close to the presidentcy in ages. He is not only conservative but yes, a Bible thumper to some degree, but guilty of anything wrong I seriously doubt it. OP, I think you might be letting your imagination run away from you.
Trump is so buried in their heads they can't even function
You assume wrong. The Republican party does not give a damn about following the word of God. The party uses it as a carrot to dangle in front of the bible belt for votes. All the Republican party cares about is keeping power for those in the Republican party. That's why they sold their soul for Trump (and will do for Roy Moore) - they just want the power. And Trump is implementing an agenda that keeps power concentrated in a way that benefits the Republican party. Pence is all for this.
HUH?
LOL I didn't say a word about religion or God. You're reply is a total non-sequitur to my post but thanks. I guess.
YOU didn't even say anything about religion or God!
All I talked about was POLICY. Trumpism vs GOP(e). Right on topic with your OP.
It's also different than your original post claiming The President is just a pawn of the GOPe specifically Pence.
OF COURSE the GOP and The President want to keep power in the GOP. YES, He and his voters forced them into submission. Globalist Bushism is dead. America First yada yada.
Does that sound like GOPe? (it's not).
What else?
Would the Democratic party keep power concentrated in the GOP???
Maybe I misunderstood and you're not a Democrat (I didn't bother to check your posting history) but some faction of Evangelical who wanted a purist to be the nominee or a third party. Oh wait! Bernie Bro? That would line up with centralizing power elsewhere. Some new fangled American Socialist Party? Am I getting warm?
*shrug*
If you'd like to stick to your OP, I'd love to hear which of the GOPe wish list policies they've successfully forced The President into implementing.
Certainly not any Bushisms.
Which ones?
ETA: BTW, we know the GOP including the Freedom Caucus and Rand Paul are liars. They knew since the election that they wouldn't have the Senate votes to R&R Obamacare because of the Medicaid expansion phase out demands in certain states. Especially Paul, he's the worst grandstander. There are very few of them who actually BELIEVE in the principles.
And the ONLY indispensable and trustworthy member of the Administration is Stephen Miller. And temporarily the COS. I'd personally love to kick Javanka back to NY.
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Pence has been awfully quiet, probably waiting to take over the white house.
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