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Preface: I’m admitting that I used the thread title as an eye catcher however it ties in with the overall theme.
If the election were to be held again today trump would win again and the democrats wouldn’t have a clue as to why. They’ve been banking on a strategy for years based on who was more popular. The only elections they’ve won since fdr was not because majority of Americans agreed with their platform but because the dem candidate was extremely popular (jfk/Johnson by default, carter, clinton, Obama). Only Reagan comes close to any of those in popularity. Dems have fooled themselves and their supporters that you need a majority of the people in order to win the White House.
This has never been the case. Trump or someone backing him has keenly figured out that you don’t need to be popular all over the USA. You just need a core group of people strategically located (wherever) in order to reach that 270 number.
How did the democrats play themselves? Over the years, they have moved minorities and their base supporters into urban liberal cities (NYC, La, Chicago, etc) while the rest of the respective states have been left to be taken over by the rural (possibly White conservative) voters. This is evident by republican take over of like 99% of state houses over the years. So while the numbers favor democrats in that the country is browning. However where they’re located matters and as long as the numbers are only growing in urban centers it still leaves whole rest of states open for the “other” voters.
How can democrats fix this? Get rid of trying to find a message that fits EVERYONE. They need to find a message. And whoever likes it likes it. Whoever doesn’t, kick rocks. Exactly what the republicans did.
Preface: I’m admitting that I used the thread title as an eye catcher however it ties in with the overall theme.
If the election were to be held again today trump would win again and the democrats wouldn’t have a clue as to why. They’ve been banking on a strategy for years based on who was more popular. The only elections they’ve won since fdr was not because majority of Americans agreed with their platform but because the dem candidate was extremely popular (jfk/Johnson by default, carter, clinton, Obama). Only Reagan comes close to any of those in popularity. Dems have fooled themselves and their supporters that you need a majority of the people in order to win the White House.
This has never been the case. Trump or someone backing him has keenly figured out that you don’t need to be popular all over the USA. You just need a core group of people strategically located (wherever) in order to reach that 270 number.
How did the democrats play themselves? Over the years, they have moved minorities and their base supporters into urban liberal cities (NYC, La, Chicago, etc) while the rest of the respective states have been left to be taken over by the rural (possibly White conservative) voters. This is evident by republican take over of like 99% of state houses over the years. So while the numbers favor democrats in that the country is browning. However where they’re located matters and as long as the numbers are only growing in urban centers it still leaves whole rest of states open for the “other” voters.
How can democrats fix this? Get rid of trying to find a message that fits EVERYONE. They need to find a message. And whoever likes it likes it. Whoever doesn’t, kick rocks. Exactly what the republicans did.
I guess you missed the Virginia election that happened last month. Lol.
Preface: I’m admitting that I used the thread title as an eye catcher however it ties in with the overall theme.
If the election were to be held again today trump would win again and the democrats wouldn’t have a clue as to why. They’ve been banking on a strategy for years based on who was more popular. The only elections they’ve won since fdr was not because majority of Americans agreed with their platform but because the dem candidate was extremely popular (jfk/Johnson by default, carter, clinton, Obama). Only Reagan comes close to any of those in popularity. Dems have fooled themselves and their supporters that you need a majority of the people in order to win the White House.
This has never been the case. Trump or someone backing him has keenly figured out that you don’t need to be popular all over the USA. You just need a core group of people strategically located (wherever) in order to reach that 270 number.
How did the democrats play themselves? Over the years, they have moved minorities and their base supporters into urban liberal cities (NYC, La, Chicago, etc) while the rest of the respective states have been left to be taken over by the rural (possibly White conservative) voters. This is evident by republican take over of like 99% of state houses over the years. So while the numbers favor democrats in that the country is browning. However where they’re located matters and as long as the numbers are only growing in urban centers it still leaves whole rest of states open for the “other” voters.
How can democrats fix this? Get rid of trying to find a message that fits EVERYONE. They need to find a message. And whoever likes it likes it. Whoever doesn’t, kick rocks. Exactly what the republicans did.
It isn't just the dems. It is both parties that need to find a message. Party over country for all of them. They will promise you the moon to get their seat and they have a cushy life from there.
Preface: I’m admitting that I used the thread title as an eye catcher however it ties in with the overall theme.
If the election were to be held again today trump would win again and the democrats wouldn’t have a clue as to why. They’ve been banking on a strategy for years based on who was more popular. The only elections they’ve won since fdr was not because majority of Americans agreed with their platform but because the dem candidate was extremely popular (jfk/Johnson by default, carter, clinton, Obama). Only Reagan comes close to any of those in popularity. Dems have fooled themselves and their supporters that you need a majority of the people in order to win the White House.
This has never been the case. Trump or someone backing him has keenly figured out that you don’t need to be popular all over the USA. You just need a core group of people strategically located (wherever) in order to reach that 270 number.
How did the democrats play themselves? Over the years, they have moved minorities and their base supporters into urban liberal cities (NYC, La, Chicago, etc) while the rest of the respective states have been left to be taken over by the rural (possibly White conservative) voters. This is evident by republican take over of like 99% of state houses over the years. So while the numbers favor democrats in that the country is browning. However where they’re located matters and as long as the numbers are only growing in urban centers it still leaves whole rest of states open for the “other” voters.
How can democrats fix this? Get rid of trying to find a message that fits EVERYONE. They need to find a message. And whoever likes it likes it. Whoever doesn’t, kick rocks. Exactly what the republicans did.
You think so, huh ? I can guarantee you that if we had an election right now, Trump would not win. We were caught sleeping at the switch on the last election, no one in the world thought that anyone would actually vote for a man with the lack of credentials, intelligence, and ethics as Donald Trump. Boy, did we misread the mindset of voters in this country. THAT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
Trump has been his own worst enemy in that regard. If he had come in, acted half way sane, controlled his immature impulses, and actually did work, instead of just trying to obliterate Obama's legacy, he might have a shot at it. But he is the gift that keeps on giving.
Preface: I’m admitting that I used the thread title as an eye catcher however it ties in with the overall theme.
If the election were to be held again today trump would win again and the democrats wouldn’t have a clue as to why. They’ve been banking on a strategy for years based on who was more popular. The only elections they’ve won since fdr was not because majority of Americans agreed with their platform but because the dem candidate was extremely popular (jfk/Johnson by default, carter, clinton, Obama). Only Reagan comes close to any of those in popularity. Dems have fooled themselves and their supporters that you need a majority of the people in order to win the White House.
This has never been the case. Trump or someone backing him has keenly figured out that you don’t need to be popular all over the USA. You just need a core group of people strategically located (wherever) in order to reach that 270 number.
How did the democrats play themselves? Over the years, they have moved minorities and their base supporters into urban liberal cities (NYC, La, Chicago, etc) while the rest of the respective states have been left to be taken over by the rural (possibly White conservative) voters. This is evident by republican take over of like 99% of state houses over the years. So while the numbers favor democrats in that the country is browning. However where they’re located matters and as long as the numbers are only growing in urban centers it still leaves whole rest of states open for the “other” voters.
How can democrats fix this? Get rid of trying to find a message that fits EVERYONE. They need to find a message. And whoever likes it likes it. Whoever doesn’t, kick rocks. Exactly what the republicans did.
Well thanks for the honesty over the BS title. That's something.
But first, the Democrats "moved" nobody. People migrate where the jobs are and most of the jobs are in urban areas.
So the rural areas were left to those who wish to hang onto the idea that low-skilled high wage jobs are magically returning.
Your assertion that Dems have won because they are 'popular' is really a very pat and simplistic statement for a very complex subject. And it is not true.
Bush Sr. presided over a recession and was out of touch. Clinton offered up fresh new ideas and brought a great economy without starting new wars. George Bush was not popular and neither was Al Gore. Toss up. Obama offered hope after Bush caved to the wealthy and started two new wars--one totally unnecessary. And the Bush policies crashe d the economy.
Trump was not and is not popular. Hillary was also not popular. So angry rural voters turned out in force thinking Trump is going to bring their jobs and the 50s back. It has yet to happen and probably will not. And Trump's popularity has totally tanked since the inauguration. He is a very unpopular president.
I don't think it is the Dems who have played themselves. I think it is Trump who has 'played' rural America (a place he visits for rallies, but will never ever spend a night or live).
You think so, huh ? I can guarantee you that if we had an election right now, Trump would not win. We were caught sleeping at the switch on the last election, no one in the world thought that anyone would actually vote for a man with the lack of credentials, intelligence, and ethics as Donald Trump. Boy, did we misread the mindset of voters in this country. THAT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
Trump has been his own worst enemy in that regard. If he had come in, acted half way sane, controlled his immature impulses, and actually did work, instead of just trying to obliterate Obama's legacy, he might have a shot at it. But he is the gift that keeps on giving.
Happen again or not doesnt even matter now. America is screw pretty much for having Trump became the president. It would take decades to rebuild the country reputation.
Preface: I’m admitting that I used the thread title as an eye catcher however it ties in with the overall theme.
If the election were to be held again today trump would win again and the democrats wouldn’t have a clue as to why. They’ve been banking on a strategy for years based on who was more popular. The only elections they’ve won since fdr was not because majority of Americans agreed with their platform but because the dem candidate was extremely popular (jfk/Johnson by default, carter, clinton, Obama). Only Reagan comes close to any of those in popularity. Dems have fooled themselves and their supporters that you need a majority of the people in order to win the White House.
This has never been the case. Trump or someone backing him has keenly figured out that you don’t need to be popular all over the USA. You just need a core group of people strategically located (wherever) in order to reach that 270 number.
How did the democrats play themselves? Over the years, they have moved minorities and their base supporters into urban liberal cities (NYC, La, Chicago, etc) while the rest of the respective states have been left to be taken over by the rural (possibly White conservative) voters. This is evident by republican take over of like 99% of state houses over the years. So while the numbers favor democrats in that the country is browning. However where they’re located matters and as long as the numbers are only growing in urban centers it still leaves whole rest of states open for the “other” voters.
How can democrats fix this? Get rid of trying to find a message that fits EVERYONE. They need to find a message. And whoever likes it likes it. Whoever doesn’t, kick rocks. Exactly what the republicans did.
The Republicans did not want Trump to win the nomination. It seems a little disingenuous to suggest that the Republicans planned the outcome of the election. There are still a lot of establishment Republicans who deeply disagree with Trump. To see the election as a failure of vision on the part of Democrats is not wrong but it is a vast oversimplicafication.
Happen again or not doesnt even matter now. America is screw pretty much for having Trump became the president. It would take decades to rebuild the country reputation.
You are absolutely correct. In one short year, Trump has done damage to this country, nationally and internationally, that will not be repaired overnight. He has put up so many walls (just not the one he promised) between us and each other, and us and our allies, that the next guy/gal is going to have their work cut out for them.
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Originally Posted by CrowGirl
The Republicansdid not want Trump to win the nominations.It seems a little disingenuous to suggest that the Republicans planned the outcome of the election. There are still a lot of establishment Republicans who deeply disagree with Trump. To see the election asa failure of vision on the part of Democrats isnot wrong but it is a vast oversimplicafication.
Nope, you are right, the Republicans were caught as flatfooted as we were. They no more wanted Donald Trump than the man in the moon, but he created such a groundswell of supporters that they were forced to take him as their standard bearer. Even today, they want him gone, but just need to figure out a way to do it and not shoot themselves in the foot doing it.
I guess most are missing the point that republicans have won the White House over the past 60 years with the exact same message = take our country back / make America great again (they’re the same message).
Dems have been winning based on the message of the most popular candidate.
If the election were to be held again today trump would win again
With what has occurred since he's been in office? The tax stuff, the russian stuff, more lies, more tweeting?
No he would not win, he's had too many defectors. and is running at a 33% favaroable rating.
Just cause you are a tribesman, don't think you stand for all Trump voters back in November 2016.
Many have woken up to his special kind of insanity and would make another choice.
Last night on 60 MInutes they ran an interview of him in 2016, he said he'll be so busy, tweeting will greatly
reduce or stop. MORE LIES! So I guess he's saying now he's not busy.
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