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Old 03-20-2008, 08:13 PM
 
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He said look deeper than the past 14 months... aka what happened before the last 14 months.
So the last 14 months are meaningless? Ahh, I forgot.. When the Democrats are in power anything they do does not count.

Considering that the economy is going in the tank NOW.. Not 14 months ago.. Tel me what the Congress is doing to help? Someone.. Anyone?
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Old 03-20-2008, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Virginia
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It benefits the Democrats for Americans to be poor. They feed off the poor and the minorities. The more you rely on federal government programs the longer they stay in power. Republicans want YOU to empower yourself and be rich. So who should you vote for? It's funny how the poor and the minorities embrace the Democrats when they should be embracing Republicans.

It's time for America to realize that the answer to 99% of the problems in America can be solved by Americans, not the federal government. It's time for America to realize that Democrats want you to be poor and stay poor so their federal govt programs can continue to keep them in power. It's time for America to realize that Republicans are the true leaders of the poor because they want to empower each and every American to reach their full potential.

You won't hear any of that from the left wing media.
You will get ripped by the left wing loonies, the followers. and those who are capable but are to lazy to do anything about their situation...but well said. Some common sense.
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Old 03-20-2008, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Wait, you start off by saying lets just look at the past 14 months, and then not one example you listed had anything to do with just the past 14 months. Sorry but make the connection will you because the only thing thats happened in the last 14 months is the failure of Congress to help lower fuel prices, help stop inflation, stop the housing bubble, help the economy move, blah blah blah.. Your right, the last 14 months have been a total failure on those in office..
Here's my statement:

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Let's take a slightly deeper look than just the past 14 months...
But then, you've made it clear that you're not reading anything I post. You ask for a list of Bush foul-ups, then claim that the list I post isn't a list of Bush follies.

Have it your way. You'll ignore any evidence that doesn't fit your opinion.
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Old 03-21-2008, 03:58 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Your own experience with how many rich people? My father in his job deals with many CEO's and millionaires, guys with there own jets and everything you would expect. He knows these people. And all of them have been nice, hardworking, citizens. Some can be a bit harsh, but business is like that sometime. And some of them have businesses not because they need money but because they enjoy what they do. How many of them do you 'know'? All of them have been considerate, caring people. Some of them are the CEO's of large companies you've heard of. Everytime I hear people complaining about CEO's all I can think is "more liberal propoganda, bases on the news, and ofcourse the probably don't know or have never met a CEO."

Well, I have to say I don't PERSONALLY know any CEO's or millionaires, because, being of the "servant" class, I don't have access to their golf clubs and gated communities. But I DO see them. They're the guys who demand special treatment at the stores I work at, asking if I know WHO THEY ARE and how much they SPEND in my store. I don't, but if I wait just a MINUTE, I can be sure they'll tell me. They're the ones who don't have respect for ME...or for the other 5 to 7 people waiting patiently in front of them. They want personalized service--immediately! if not sooner!

As for the ones that employ oh so many people, I knew an entrepreneurial type that was well off. He had four stores when I started with him. He spent less than an HOUR a week in each of his stores. Enough time to RUN IN, collect the money OUT of the floor safe, and run out again. He had managers to hire and fire his staff, so he never worried about that. And they did the ordering. His stores closed at 10 p.m., so you were only going to be PAID until 10 p.m...even if you spent another hour PAST that cleaning up. And who spent four hours on Easter Sunday, painting his store? Not him...he couldn't be bothered. I did it...and I wasn't paid for it either. After all, the store was closed for the holiday, he wasn't going to pay anyone for that day. Never mind that a day that the store was closed was the ONLY day something like that could be done.

I worked for him for two years. In that two years' time, two of his stores closed...but hey, the "rich" provide jobs for people, right? Well, maybe not the people that worked in those stores anyway. If the stores were unprofitable, he closed them. If they WERE profitable, it was because the people there took MORE PRIDE in their jobs and stores than HE did.
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Old 03-21-2008, 04:42 AM
 
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99% of our current problems have been caused by this Republican government. You're not going to solve any of them on your own.
I disagree. No matter who gets in the whitehouse, 99% of our problems are caused by none other than us. We are responsible for our personal decisions, our belief system, our integrity. The government has the potential to gain power and feed off our weaknesses. We need to be independent, work hard, stay clean and help those around us that have limitations not of their own making. What president or political party can solve all our problems? When a candidate runs on the premise that he/she has to offer programs to help people that really should be helping themselves, and we proceed to elect that person, then we have contributed to an intrusive government. We do have to leave some room for executive decisions that are complicated like war in Iraq, how to handle corporate greed that borderlines white collar crime, and all foreign policies, but what a different country this would be if we all took personal responsibility for all our actions.
So maybe a small percentage of our problems are politicians, the rest of our problems are so self inflicted.
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Old 03-21-2008, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Tolland County- Northeastern CT
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Corporations have never had so much power historically in this country since the late 19th century- the so called 'Gilded Ages' when the Oil, steel, railroad and other business monopolies concentrated wealth into a chosen few- who later built mansions in Newport to show off their wealth. The average worker then made little money, worked long hours, and little job security and was simply another cog in the machine to serves his/her corporate masters. This was at a time when the theories of 'Social Darwinism' ...the strong survive and the weak.......

In came the progressives-both Democrats and republicans who began to control and bust the trusts- and give workers more rights.

Fast forward to today 100 years after the Progressives under republican Teddy Roosevelt tamed the monopolies and business trusts and looked out for the common American.

We have rampant corporate greed, record business profits, the conservative idealogy of the last 30 plus years has shifted safety nets and socialism from the poor and middle class to the wealthy and corporations. There has been a steady erosion of pensions, and health care and workers rights- all to benefit a chosen few.
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Old 03-21-2008, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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It benefits the Democrats for Americans to be poor. They feed off the poor and the minorities. The more you rely on federal government programs the longer they stay in power. Republicans want YOU to empower yourself and be rich. So who should you vote for? It's funny how the poor and the minorities embrace the Democrats when they should be embracing Republicans.

It's time for America to realize that the answer to 99% of the problems in America can be solved by Americans, not the federal government. It's time for America to realize that Democrats want you to be poor and stay poor so their federal govt programs can continue to keep them in power. It's time for America to realize that Republicans are the true leaders of the poor because they want to empower each and every American to reach their full potential.

You won't hear any of that from the left wing media.
OK Rush. We all know BS when we hear it.
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Old 03-21-2008, 05:26 AM
 
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Corporations have never had so much power historically in this country since the late 19th century- the so called 'Gilded Ages' when the Oil, steel, railroad and other business monopolies concentrated wealth into a chosen few- who later built mansions in Newport to show off their wealth. The average worker then made little money, worked long hours, and little job security and was simply another cog in the machine to serves his/her corporate masters. This was at a time when the theories of 'Social Darwinism' ...the strong survive and the weak.......

In came the progressives-both Democrats and republicans who began to control and bust the trusts- and give workers more rights.

Fast forward to today 100 years after the Progressives under republican Teddy Roosevelt tamed the monopolies and business trusts and looked out for the common American.

We have rampant corporate greed, record business profits, the conservative idealogy of the last 30 plus years has shifted safety nets and socialism from the poor and middle class to the wealthy and corporations. There has been a steady erosion of pensions, and health care and workers rights- all to benefit a chosen few.
You have a very good point. I agree with you, but how much more could we change the landscape of corporate greed if we didn't have so many other issues relating to personal irresponsibility. Of course, that is the core of corporate greed - no personal responsibility for the theft of the coffiers of corporations that would not be in existance were it not for the employees.
I know this isn't a thread about the candidates, but I do understand why so many want to see change. The corroding family unit and unrestrained morality scares me more than corporate greed. Dysfuntional people cannot run a government, period. And there are a lot of them running this nation now.
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:36 AM
 
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But then, you've made it clear that you're not reading anything I post. You ask for a list of Bush foul-ups, then claim that the list I post isn't a list of Bush follies.
Your the one who first says that 99% of the countries problems are Bushs fault. Then when questioned on his follies, you provide a list of his controversies.. I NEVER asked for a list of foul-ups I asked for a list of how he has caused 99% of our problems. A controversy is not a follie even if you say so.

Then if you look at the list, some of them even contradict themself.

Example: Unitary executive theory, which the link to it even says that the US Courts have not ruled it out. Its very well known that Clinton took advantage of the very same executive privlidges. He was widely known for using, and some say abusing the same powers. Some of his executive privlidges expanded executive privlidges.

Another example: Dismissal of US attorneys, how is this a failure? He dismissed them, they are gone.. Sounds like success to me. While many question the timing of such actions, its not exactly a failure is it?

If your going to list failures then please list failures, not successes, and furthermore, list the failures that actually affected us (which was the question). The successful firing of US attorneys did not cause any of "our" problems, let alone contribute to any of our 99% "problems" that you stated we had.

As of yet you have failed to list 1% let alone 99%
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:42 AM
 
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Corporations have never had so much power historically in this country since the late 19th century- the so called 'Gilded Ages' when the Oil, steel, railroad and other business monopolies concentrated wealth into a chosen few- who later built mansions in Newport to show off their wealth. The average worker then made little money, worked long hours, and little job security and was simply another cog in the machine to serves his/her corporate masters. This was at a time when the theories of 'Social Darwinism' ...the strong survive and the weak.......

In came the progressives-both Democrats and republicans who began to control and bust the trusts- and give workers more rights.

Fast forward to today 100 years after the Progressives under republican Teddy Roosevelt tamed the monopolies and business trusts and looked out for the common American.

We have rampant corporate greed, record business profits, the conservative idealogy of the last 30 plus years has shifted safety nets and socialism from the poor and middle class to the wealthy and corporations. There has been a steady erosion of pensions, and health care and workers rights- all to benefit a chosen few.
The reson they have more power is simply because we continue to put more and more restrictions on how they operate.

The more restrictions and regulations we put upon the corporations, the more benefiticial it becomes to hire individuals to help regulate how the laws are created. Once the government starts telling businesses how to operate and what they can and can not do, you force companies to start to influencing how the laws are made so that it minimizes the impact upon "your" business.

Who is harmed? Competition and thereby consumers.
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