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"Medicare and Social Security are benefits that working Americans have earned over a lifetime of steady, reliable, and conscientious work. They paid for these benefit with weekly payroll deductions."
"their monthly Social Security check, which averages a little more than $1,200 – before paying $100 a month for Medicare Part B"
"Ryan announced Wednesday that in 2018 the Republicans will be ready to put Medicare on the chopping block to pay for tax cuts."
Ok, fine. Give me all that FICA you took out of my pay check for 40+ years, with interest. While you are at it, give me all the SS you took from me. Then appoint a committed to determine how much money the government has wasted since 1970 when I started working and give me my part of the taxes paid on that wasted money, again, with interest. Once you have done that, I have a pretty good feeling I will not need any SS, Medicare or any other government support. I'll be able to take care of myself, which is exactly what the government promised to do for me when they took all that money from me to start with.
Maybe this is the one topic that deserves multiple threads because here is the Federal government threatening to take money from its citizens that is legally owned by the citizens. That is called theft.
Maybe this is the one topic that deserves multiple threads because here is the Federal government threatening to take money from its citizens that is legally owned by the citizens. That is called theft.
But FICA and SS are MY money, entrusted to the federal government, to take care of ME when I am either no longer able to physically work or I have 'done my time' and contributed my fair share. It is MY money. Not the governments money to do what they want with. Its has a specific purpose, to take care of me. To threaten to take it to pay off the governments poor fiscal judgement is just not going to fly.
Anyone not concerned about this quite frankly is an idiot. SS and Medicare is not a handout. We have paid into the system for a lifetime, to take it back later is reneging on a deal we had in place. And of course the campaign promise was totally different, how can that not matter to some of you?
Anyone not concerned about this quite frankly is an idiot. SS and Medicare is not a handout. We have paid into the system for a lifetime, to take it back later is reneging on a deal we had in place. And of course the campaign promise was totally different, how can that not matter to some of you?
Yes it is.
You didnt "pay into" anything, your "contributions" (ahem) were given to someone else, and any future benefit you might recieve will come directly from some poor working stiff wages.
According to the supremes in Fleming vs. Nestor you are owed nothing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemming_v._Nestor
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The Court ruled that no such contract exists, and that there is no contractual right to receive Social Security payments. Payments due under Social Security are not “property” rights and are not protected by the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment. The interest of a beneficiary of Social Security is protected only by the Due Process Clause.
Under Due Process Clause analysis, government action is valid unless it is patently arbitrary and utterly lacking in rational justification. This provision of §202(n) is not irrational; it could have been justified by the desire to increase the purchasing power of those living in America, because those living abroad would not spend their payments here.
Of course Ryan wants to cut Medicare and Social Security. Gotta pay for those tax breaks for billionaires some how.
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