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View Poll Results: Should females be allowed to have a choice to abort a fetus?
Yes 276 85.71%
No 46 14.29%
Voters: 322. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-05-2018, 02:12 PM
 
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Getting close to 22-23 weeks is where viability is now. Just because you need medical care doesn't make you not human.
That's giving about a 50% survival rate at 23 weeks, 10% at 22 weeks with medical intervention.
I dont think anyone claimed that needing medical care makes you non human, if they did please point it out.
My grand was born at 34 weeks, he was 4 lbs. He had to be rushed to Vanderbilt and spent 2 weeks in NICU in an incubator with tubes and wires and needles stuck in his head. We thought we were going to lose him for a time. I cant even imagine the heartache and worry of those dealing with a micro premie.

 
Old 01-05-2018, 02:13 PM
 
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Did you hear that at the “every baby born early isn’t viable” conference?
No one said that.
 
Old 01-05-2018, 02:16 PM
 
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No one said that.
Pretty much everything he has posted no one actually said.
Must be something to be in his head.
 
Old 01-05-2018, 02:34 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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What kind of insane pink hat conferences have you gone to that have convinced you a baby born a week early requires a machine to keep it alive?

It’s not a wonder that you aren’t capable of understanding such issues when you believe such nonsense.
You should try quoting the entire post you're responding to instead of surgically extracting one line and trying to make it sound like the poster said something he or he didn't. You cut out the highlighted line below in my entire post and are trying to make it sound like I said a baby born a week early requires a machines to keep it alive. I didn't say anything close to that so your reply above is all B.S. Dishonesty isn't going to win your position any debate points.

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I'll make this real simple. If you mix up the ingredients to make a cake and put it in the oven and it's supposed to be in that oven for 45 minutes but you take the mixture out of the oven at 15 minutes it's not a cake. Fetuses are not viable outside of their "ovens" when they come out too early. If you take the cake out of the oven at 35 minutes it might look like a cake but the center probably isn't cooked. You could then put the under cooked cake in a microwave to finish it up, sort of like putting premies in an incubator. But a fetus still isn't VIABLE until it can live without the help of machines and extraordinary human intervention. When a baby is full born full term, it's viable because it can live without taking extraordinary actions to keep it alive.

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Old 01-05-2018, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I'm out of this discussion, among the best advice I've ever received was "don't feed the troll"
 
Old 01-06-2018, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Pretty much everything he has posted no one actually said.
Must be something to be in his head.
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I'm out of this discussion, among the best advice I've ever received was "don't feed the troll"
yes and yes. I had backed out of this a while ago but checked it again out of curiosity. SSDD

I suggest that everyone stop feeding the troll and leave this thread to wither on the vine
 
Old 01-06-2018, 09:00 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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I'm pro-life but those like yourself make it very difficult to be.
If you say so...
 
Old 01-06-2018, 09:16 AM
 
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yes and yes. I had backed out of this a while ago but checked it again out of curiosity. SSDD

I suggest that everyone stop feeding the troll and leave this thread to wither on the vine
Exactly. And then use your ignore button, because it doesn't get any better in any other discussion. It's pretty much the same thing no matter what the topic is.

I will note, however, that the totals in this poll now are 86 to 14 percent in favor of allowing women to determine their own lives, so the poster in question's opinion is pretty much irrelevant in this discussion anyway.
 
Old 01-06-2018, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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This pro-lifer believes there should be exceptions for abortions in the second trimester for things like severe birth defects.

You have gobbled up the pro-death propoganda pretty good.
OK, from your posts, I glean that you think that

1) first trimester, woman's choice, any reason or no reason
2) second trimester, certain reasons
3) third trimester, only under dire circumstances

So you essentially agree with Roe v. Wade and the current state of affairs then.

Glad to hear it.
 
Old 01-06-2018, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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OK, from your posts, I glean that you think that

1) first trimester, woman's choice, any reason or no reason
2) second trimester, certain reasons
3) third trimester, only under dire circumstances

So you essentially agree with Roe v. Wade and the current state of affairs then.

Glad to hear it.
Excellent post, and so true!
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