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In some circles that'd be a nice "concession" as currently, some places forbid women from getting abortions. They know they won't be able to raise the child on their own, but yet, you can have the government, or her impregnator tell her she must have the baby, but neither will help rearing the child (and this ain't some far right feminism line of thinking. I've talked with plenty of men who were raised by a single mother, wishing there would be laws to hold men who knock up women and run off without taking any responsibility). So to recap, the main point is forbidding them from getting abortions.
Again, not quite true, as men have the option to just run off and leave the woman on her own. Or just state that he's NOT going to raise the child. The decision to raise a child should be agreed upon by both in the couple, but face it, women do have a much higher stake in this, and that's why I feel they should have much more choices.
EDIT: Also, if she decides to get an abortion, they man is off the hook.
In many states there are "Deadbeat Dad" laws that can outright jail those men so that's really not true...<bold>
Too many people see the world in black and white. "If this would happen, then this wouldn't" or "if someone wouldn't do this, there wouldn't be a problem" etc.
But the world isn't black and white.
"Women just need to use birth control..." ALL birth control has a failure rate.
"Women just need to use abstinence..." In their marriages? Yeah, let's see how the men like that one.
"Women just need to keep their legs shut.." If women kept their legs shut as often as men liked, the men would be jumping off bridges.
"Women can give up the baby for adoption..." The fact of the matter is most people want to adopt newborn white babies that are perfect. As for the others, there are over 300,000 children in the foster care system right now, waiting for a permanent, loving home. Many of those children will be living on the street supporting themselves with prostitution and selling drugs to survive when they age out of foster care.
"Women can have the baby and give it up..." How insulting can you get to just skip over nine months of pregnancy and hours in labor like it was just nothing? And let's not forget how dangerous giving birth still is:
Each year in the U.S., about 700 women die of pregnancy-related complications
and 52,000 experience emergencies such as acute renal failure, shock, respiratory
distress, aneurysms and heart surgery. An additional 34,000 barely avoid death. (CDC)
And of course, the old favorite: "I would support abortion in the cases of rape or incest." Why? Why would you be such a hypocrite? What does how the child was conceived have anything to do being a good reason for abortion? If you say something like this, it merely tells me you are actually for abortion. You just want to pick which fetuses you want to be aborted, is all.
The thing is, no woman should be trapped in a pregnant body risking her life to give birth to a child she doesn't want just because of someone else's morality. I don't see these anti-abortionists parading in the streets demanding we stop the wars so more of our service men and women don't get killed. I don't see them standing up and saying capital punishment is wrong and protesting about that.
Likewise, I can't believe the anti-abortionists are out to save lives:
"Since 1973, anti-choice zealots have murdered 11 people, attempted to murder another 17,
and made 363 credible death threats. They have also been convicted of assault 153 times.
They have bombed 41 reproductive health clinics, made 619 bomb threats and 655 anthrax
attack threats, committed arson 173 times and vandalism 1,264 times, and thrown butyric
acid stink bombs at property and people, injuring 30. NOTE: these figures are publicly
available from FBI and DOJ crime statistics, not "alternative facts."
During the same time, one anti-choice protester has been murdered."
As for abortion being a religious problem:
If God has a problem with it, He needs to bring his Almighty ass down here and
tell everyone Himself. Self-appointed mouthpieces for God need to stop pretending
to speak for the Almighty. He's more than capable of speaking for himself
IF he is, in fact, "Almighty". (Dawn)
My whole argument through this whole conversation is basically BOTH people are equally responsible for the production of a child. Given that both should have some say with the woman's holding more weight as she does carry the heavier burden throughout the whole ordeal. There should be the option of the father taking the baby directly after birth instead of the woman aborting if she doesn't want it barring a physical reason for abortion.
If the man doesn't want to take the child and the woman does instead of terminating the pregnancy then she becomes solely responsible for said outcome.
Both women and men should realize the possible consequences of their actions, each determined by their physical makeup.
Yes, a man can just "keep it in his pants" but just because a woman has more "physical skin in the game" just because of how her body is made doesn't absolve her from basic responsibility to also keep her legs closed if she doesn't want to become an accidental mother. Women KNOW the possible risks when they lay down with a man just as a man does.
When a woman can self reproduce then she becomes the only one with equitable rights to make all decisions. You give up some of that freedom when you allow another to enter your body under assumed risk...
Including the choice to not hit the sack in the first place and the choice to practice some common-sense forms of birth control. But, you can't fix stupid.
So women are stupid for having sex but men aren't? This thread is not only fascinating. Its also a great catalyst to reinforcing to my sons that they have responsibility when they choose to have sex as well.
LOTS of excuse making from the males in this crowd.
My whole argument through this whole conversation is basically BOTH people are equally responsible for the production of a child. Given that both should have some say with the woman's holding more weight as she does carry the heavier burden throughout the whole ordeal. There should be the option of the father taking the baby directly after birth instead of the woman aborting if she doesn't want it barring a physical reason for abortion.
If the man doesn't want to take the child and the woman does instead of terminating the pregnancy then she becomes solely responsible for said outcome.
Both women and men should realize the possible consequences of their actions, each determined by their physical makeup.
Yes, a man can just "keep it in his pants" but just because a woman has more "physical skin in the game" just because of how her body is made doesn't absolve her from basic responsibility to also keep her legs closed if she doesn't want to become an accidental mother. Women KNOW the possible risks when they lay down with a man just as a man does.
When a woman can self reproduce then she becomes the only one with equitable rights to make all decisions. You give up some of that freedom when you allow another to enter your body under assumed risk...
This thread/poll is about abortion, the question was if women should have the right to abort unwanted fetuses. The "keep it in your pants" is meant for the men who want to deny women abortions or who resent having to pay child support if they have sex and the woman ends up pregnant. The woman is the one who is pregnant, so it should be 100% up to her how she deals with the pregnancy. And men who do not want a woman to have an abortion or who do not want to pay child support can avoid either of those scenarios by not impregnating a woman.
This thread/poll is about abortion, the question was if women should have the right to abort unwanted fetuses. The "keep it in your pants" is meant for the men who want to deny women abortions or who resent having to pay child support if they have sex and the woman ends up pregnant. The woman is the one who is pregnant, so it should be 100% up to her how she deals with the pregnancy. And men who do not want a woman to have an abortion or who do not want to pay child support can avoid either of those scenarios by not impregnating a woman.
Amen.
Seems to me we have a lot of men here who want all the fun of sex and none of the responsibility. And to add insult to injury, they want to blame women for "allowing" men's sperm to impregnate them as well as calling her names for having the baby and expecting child support, giving it up for adoption OR aborting it.
Sure. Let's make a deal. If women can have unilateral power to abort a fetus without any input from the other person who contributed to the existence of the fetus, then men should have unilateral power to decide to not pay child support.
Sure. Let's make a deal. If women can have unilateral power to abort a fetus without any input from the other person who contributed to the existence of the fetus, then men should have unilateral power to decide to not pay child support.
Men already have unilateral power to decide to not pay child support. They do it all the time
Seems to me we have a lot of men here who want all the fun of sex and none of the responsibility. And to add insult to injury, they want to blame women for "allowing" men's sperm to impregnate them as well as calling her names for having the baby and expecting child support, giving it up for adoption OR aborting it.
Spoiled, entitled behavior if you ask me.
Yes, women are acting spoiled and entitled when it comes to abortion decisions.
Your comment about men blaming women for "allowing men's sperm to impregnate them" is simply preposterous and you know it. Unless you don't know how babies are made or were raped, you did, in fact, allow a men's sperm to impregnate you. What part of the conception process do you not understand?
Yes, women are acting spoiled and entitled when it comes to abortion decisions.
Your comment about men blaming women for "allowing men's sperm to impregnate them" is simply preposterous and you know it. Unless you don't know how babies are made or were raped, you did, in fact, allow a men's sperm to impregnate you. What part of the conception process do you not understand?
Do you call women with control over their own bodies spoiled?
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Oh wait, you're part of the "men are all rapists" crowd...
