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Old 12-13-2017, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Boston
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The main problem is that the GOP is wholly dependent on passing it in order to get massive amounts of campaign money from the ruling class of America, the top 0.01%. They demand this bill. So what the public want isnt that important.
the top 0.01% is 536 people.... lmao...
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:34 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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While Jones won't be seated in the Senate until 2018, and McConnell and trump want the tax bill passed before Christmas, does this big loss endanger trump's only piece of major legislation? Will trump's repudiation by voters in AL embolden any GOP members of Congress to back away from this toxic tax bill, a bill that is supported by only 29% of voters???


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Old 12-13-2017, 06:35 AM
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I think a few Republicans are skiddish. They remember how many Democrats were voted out after they voted for the ACA. Once they vote its too late and the other side has plenty of time to show how terrible the bill will be for the American people before the election comes. The one difference is those Democrats knew they were falling on their sword for the President. I am not sure how many Republicans are that devoted to Trump's agenda.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Fort Payne Alabama
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While Jones won't be seated in the Senate until 2018, and McConnell and trump want the tax bill passed before Christmas, does this big loss endanger trump's only piece of major legislation? Will trump's repudiation by voters in AL embolden any GOP members of Congress to back away from this toxic tax bill, a bill that is supported by only 29% of voters???
Trump was not repudiated in Alabama, only the deeply flawed candidate of Roy Moore was.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:37 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Susan Collins agreed to vote for the tax bill because she was promised that the Obamacare mandate repeal would be taken out of the final bill. That has not yet happened.

Jeff Flake agreed to vote for the tax bill because he was promised there would be new DACA (Dreamers) legislation before the final tax bill vote is taken. That has not yet happened.

I see 3 no votes, with Corker included.

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Old 12-13-2017, 06:39 AM
 
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While Jones won't be seated in the Senate until 2018, and McConnell and trump want the tax bill passed before Christmas, does this big loss endanger trump's only piece of major legislation? Will trump's repudiation by voters in AL embolden any GOP members of Congress to back away from this toxic tax bill, a bill that is supported by only 29% of voters???
Maybe if the main issue was taxes, you scenario would be a possibility - but Jones was elected based on sex and a third party candidate siphoning away votes. So the tax bill should proceed.

The tax bill will not please everyone. The question is will it be better than what we have now. It should definitely be simpler.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:39 AM
 
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While Jones won't be seated in the Senate until 2018, and McConnell and trump want the tax bill passed before Christmas, does this big loss endanger trump's only piece of major legislation? Will trump's repudiation by voters in AL embolden any GOP members of Congress to back away from this toxic tax bill, a bill that is supported by only 29% of voters???
I hope so but I doubt it.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:51 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Jones got less total votes than did Jeff Sessions opponent, in his Senate run.
There are 600,000 votes missing in yesterdays vote. More people voted than ballots counted.

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Old 12-13-2017, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Jones got less total votes than did Jeff Sessions opponent, in his Senate run.
There are 600,000 votes missing in yesterdays vote. More people voted than ballots counted.

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Just accept the reality that No Moore was the will of the People in Alabama and move on. There will be no recount per Alabama law and there is no reliable evidence of any wrong doing on anyone's part, so it is a Done Deal. Just Deal With It.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Texas
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While Jones won't be seated in the Senate until 2018, and McConnell and trump want the tax bill passed before Christmas, does this big loss endanger trump's only piece of major legislation? Will trump's repudiation by voters in AL embolden any GOP members of Congress to back away from this toxic tax bill, a bill that is supported by only 29% of voters???
Because of Moore losing in Alabama? You actually think Moore losing has much to do with trump? You think that when when someone wins or looses a senate race it's because of trump?
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