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Old 01-03-2018, 03:20 PM
 
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Read this great post that was below your's. They DIDN'T have the votes and UHI died on the Senate floor.
If Obama couldn't have swung one vote then he was even more worthless than he is given credit for.

Obama was never going to allow the insurance money to swing to the GOP. The ironic thing was, in the end it cost the (D)'s the White House and Congress anyway.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:21 PM
 
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Good luck with that. I've gone around and around with that poster about the facts you laid out, but he refuses to acknowledge them. He simply continues to insist the Democrats had the votes to pass it, when the fact is they didn't.
That they didn't do the right thing ended up costing them the White House, Senate, House and Supreme Court but you keep on defending it.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:26 PM
 
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The one way that the ObamaCare mandate got past the Supreme Court... which was by making it a tax... was the vehicle for the mandate's undoing in the tax bill.

The Obamacare Mandate Is a Tax, So the Senate Bill Is Correct

“Using a tax bill to abolish the individual mandate amounts to a backdoor way of sabotaging Obamacare,” writes John Cassidy.

“Republicans, and Donald Trump, have counted on that (as well as your limited outrage bandwidth) in slipping an Affordable Care Act mandate repeal inside their insidious tax bill,” writes Bridget Read.

All this howling is due to how the GOP-controlled Senate used a tax bill to repeal a health bill. The implication is that this is something shady and duplicitous, like an exercise in false pretense. Actually, there is absolutely nothing shady about the repeal of the Obamacare mandate. There is no back door here. No bait and switch. Obamacare’s much-despised individual mandate is, in fact, a tax. It is properly dealt with in a tax bill.



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I'm feeling blessed with President Trump deleting Onama's policies like snow flakes under the sun. Soon there is nothing left from Obam' legacy as just the dates that he was in office!
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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That they didn't do the right thing ended up costing them the White House, Senate, House and Supreme Court but you keep on defending it.
No they lost the House on fear campaigns and the TEA Party. The Senate was natural as by when a president is a lame duck, both houses of Congress are the opposition party to that in the White House. Losing the White House was part Obama, part Clinton, part anti-PC culture, part ousiderism. You simplified it.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I'm feeling blessed with President Trump deleting Onama's policies like snow flakes under the sun. Soon there is nothing left from Obam' legacy as just the dates that he was in office!
and another mess for the nest president to clean up, much like most 1900 and on presidents. Obama had the Bush recessions and War on Terrosim, Bush had the terrorism under Clinton, Clinton had NAFTA (which Bush tabled due to the election) and Iraq, Bush had the S&L crisis (which led to him breaking his tax promise) from Reagan, Reagan inherited the 1970's US after Nixon, Ford and Carter humbled it, Carter had to repair the Presidency, Ford had to clean up Watergate and post-Vietnam US, Nixon inherited Vietnam from LBS along with The Great Society.
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:45 PM
 
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Hospitals are not charities, I'm not sure how/why you expect them to absorb the cost without passing it on in terms of increased fees. If a store has a high rate of shoplifting, they might have to raise prices to cover the loss, as a result you are reimbursing the store for the criminal acts of other people, life is like that sometimes.
Hospitals are not like retail. They cannot just raise prices. If they don't profit enough they renegotiate with third parties and reimbursements might be higher the next period or year. If some patient doesn't pay, you or I may or may not pay more. Many hospitals that do have large unpaid bills get central subsidies.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Hospitals are not like retail. They cannot just raise prices. If they don't profit enough they renegotiate with third parties and reimbursements might be higher the next period or year. If some patient doesn't pay, you or I may or may not pay more. Many hospitals that do have large unpaid bills get central subsidies.
I know that hospitals aren't like retail, but you just said the same thing I did that, if they experience too many losses they raise prices, you just worded it differently: "If they don't profit enough they renegotiate with third parties and reimbursements might be higher the next period or year."
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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That they didn't do the right thing ended up costing them the White House, Senate, House and Supreme Court but you keep on defending it.
Defend what? That no matter how much you deny it, the votes to pass it weren't there?
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:51 PM
 
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Defend what? That no matter how much you deny it, the votes to pass it weren't there?
Nobody tried. Dennis Kucenich said that Obamacare was the wrong answer but as a (D) he was going to have to vote for it.

Nobody was going to go against doing the right thing.

But nobody tried.
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Old 01-03-2018, 06:57 PM
 
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The whole thing was a nitemare.
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