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Old 12-21-2017, 05:28 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Bernie Sanders is Hitler + Stalin.
Absolutely true!
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:29 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Socialists are much much worse than Nazis. Did you forget all the history?
Forget? Hell. They've never been taught any history! They don't know history!
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Old 12-21-2017, 06:03 AM
 
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Modern Republicans have a heart for families and they are struggling right now. The economic climate is not conducive to starting families. If we are thriving fiscally as a country, I'd like to see the extra revenue go to our own little American families who are working hard to survive, instead of the illegal immigrants and the poor in other countries. As we cut our tax payer dollars leaving this country, investing in families here at home is the way to go.
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:18 AM
 
Location: crafton pa
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I agree it’s pathetic how these Republicans did this all without one Democrats feedback. I wonder how they are going to feel if the Democrats pull the same crap. Look a Susan Collins, bob corker and Marco Rubio. All said they would vote NO until they got bribed somehow and voted Yes. It’s shameful how these Republicans are behaving. It’s like they don’t care about debt. I guess they already know they are all going to be thrown out next election. Trump has them all jumping and the ones who were against him at first are now kissing up to him. Just pathetic.....
Sounds almost exactly like the way ObamaCare got passed in 2008, with party affiliations reversed, of course.
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:43 AM
 
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I’m not a Republican but I like the fact that they increased the standard deduction and increased child credits. Those things will greatly help lower income families. If it was up to me, the first $20K would be completely exempt from taxation. Changing corporate taxes from global to territorial will likely help bring back a lot of money to the US.

The actual tax rate changes are not drastic and are not permanent. They roll back at 2025.

They have predicted the economic growth will increase by 0.44% (over the current estimated growth rate) in 2018 and we should start seeing results in the books by 2019, so we’ll have something on paper to hold them to if the tax bill falls flat. That will effect my vote for 2020.
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Bernie Sanders is Hitler + Stalin.
trump = Hitler + Bozo the Clown
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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well, that escalated quickly
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Wait and see what corporations do before judging them.
Corporations already had huge tax breaks.

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In 2012, among large corporations that met that $10 million in assets threshold, 42.3% paid no federal income taxes after tax credits. Among profitable large companies, 19.5% paid no federal income taxes. The average effective tax rate among the profitable large corporations was 16.1%, under federal tax treatment. Compared to the pretax net income these corporations showed in their annual reports the rate was 14%.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikshe.../#6fa21fcd58aa

I wouldn't expect a bunch of job creation.

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I don't understand how you can complain about the debt, and then hint towards voting for a Sanders Democrat. You think they are going to cut the debt... haha...
Sanders also talked about raising taxes, which is the fiscally prudent thing to do...

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They need to focus on spending. The debt will never go down as long as spending continues to increase.
It's older, Republican voters who are the primary beneficiary of discretionary government spending through Social Security and Medicare. These aren't issues that affect younger, Democratic-leaning voters...for now anyways.

I also don't see why you can't decrease spending and raise taxes.
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Old 12-21-2017, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Kind of like Obamacare was forced down the people's throats while locking Republicans out of the debate? You recall correctly right? The bill where Nancy Pelosi (D) said "We had to pass the bill to see what was in it?"

And what is wrong with a tax break for the people who earn it? Having kids is a good thing. It is done to keep the species alive. We are an aging society and we need more children. And bringing in droves of people who can't speak the language via illegal immigration isn't the way to do it.

As for without one Democrat's feedback. LOL. They had all kinds of feedback from the party of NO (the democrats). They chose not to participate and did nothing but whine and stomp and act like little children.

And as for being a lifelong Republican, I seriously doubt the validity of that statement.

Every single one of your statements is nothing but falsehoods.
Pot meet kettle.

"While it is true that no Republican voted for the final bill, it is blatantly untrue that it contains no GOP DNA. In fact, to make such an assertion is like researching your ancestry and going no further back than your mother and father.

Not only were Republican senators deeply involved in the process up until its conclusion, but it's a cinch that the ACA might have become law months earlier if the Democrats, hoping for a bipartisan bill, hadn't spent enormous time and effort wooing GOP senators — only to find themselves gulled by false promises of cooperation.
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Let's set the record straight. The Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (known as the HELP Committee), chaired first by Edward Kennedy and later by Christopher Dodd, held 14 bipartisan round-table meetings and 13 public hearings. Democrats on that committee accepted 160 Republican amendments to the bill."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...umn/523952001/
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Old 12-21-2017, 09:12 AM
 
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The down side is cuts to Social Security and Medicare that many older people will need to survive in the future.
I haven't seen where that's in the bill? Do you have a link?
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