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Old 12-22-2017, 06:52 AM
 
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From what Ive seen, majority of people are not willing to take the steps needed to remove a govt from power or 'take back what they should'. When it comes down to it, they are going to OBEY and sit down.

I also think what keeps people from doing this, is the first step, once they choose to 'engage the enemy', they are criminals, and the first line of defense is going to be city and state police. I do not ever see a time when many people are willing to battle with police, they are just too concerned with their own quality of life, how they would be labelled once they got involved, etc.

I dont think it got this way by accident or coincidence either, the public has largely been conditioned to OBEY authority, Our modern society has 'engineered' most of the revolutionary spirit, out of most people.
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Hmmm, the mess we have now? I thought the OP was a trump and republican supporter, is their koolaide wearing off? Nope, they just have no clue what their words actually meant..................
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Old 12-22-2017, 08:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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November 8, 2016

MAGA
I haven't been disappointed in anything since that date. Life is good.
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Old 12-22-2017, 09:39 AM
 
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Where in the law does it say the cuts can’t be extended?

Additionally, the “I don’t care if I get lower taxes for eight years starting now, because they might go up” attitude. Enjoy the next 8 years, and insist they get extended.
If Congress really cared about giving the middle class, they would have made the tax cuts for the middle class permanent and made the corporate ones expire, not the other way around.

After all, corporations have a lot more power to "insist" on things from Congress than the middle class does.
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Old 12-22-2017, 09:52 AM
 
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If Congress really cared about giving the middle class, they would have made the tax cuts for the middle class permanent and made the corporate ones expire, not the other way around.

After all, corporations have a lot more power to "insist" on things from Congress than the middle class does.
Ask yourself, if permanent tax breaks was part of the bill do you think Dems would have voted for it?

Rosie, they needed 60 votes to make the tax cuts permanent. And Trumps agenda was about creating jobs... more people to working, broaden tax payers base, higher pay rates, people keeping more of their money, all which help pay for the tax cuts so he had to give relief to job creators first. They couldn't do everything without Democrats so he focused on jobs first.

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Old 12-22-2017, 09:54 AM
 
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So we propose a solution to this problem: Democrats can vote to make the individual tax cuts permanent. Heck, they could do it first thing next year.

Get all the Republicans, and with Democrats on board and thus a filibuster off the table, tax cutters can clear the procedural hurdles that prevented Republicans from making these cuts permanent in the big bill.

Democrats should now vote to make middle-class tax relief permanent

The Republicans would much prefer to made it permanent right away, without any expirations, but they lack the ability to do it on their own, they need 60 votes.
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Old 12-22-2017, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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As soon as Liberalism is declared a mental disease and swift and decisive action taken against it
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Old 12-22-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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If Congress really cared about giving the middle class, they would have made the tax cuts for the middle class permanent and made the corporate ones expire, not the other way around.

After all, corporations have a lot more power to "insist" on things from Congress than the middle class does.
We both know Dems wouldn't have Dems voted for it giving the 60 votes that was even if the tax plan included making the middle class tax cuts permanent but now Dems are screaming they aren't permanent. Please think it through and you'll stop buying the rhetoric.
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Old 12-22-2017, 11:12 AM
 
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For years, high-tax states benefited by passing the cost to the rest of the country by allowing them to write off their state taxes on their federal tax returns.

Now, Dems who always claimed paying taxes was patriotic when Dems raise taxes are now in hysteria... the "blue model" will now require its citizens to pay the real cost of government.
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Old 12-22-2017, 11:17 AM
 
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Sadly there is no "We The People." It's we the divided, we the Christians, we the rich, we the poor and we the entitled etc.. People don't care anymore as a whole about America they just want what's good for them and no one else.



We The People are dead there is no coming back. Watch how long before this thread turns hateful or gets ignored for the most part.
This. We The People died a long time ago. It's the law of the jungle now, boot on the neck, ***** you I have mine dystopia that rules today.

Enjoy.
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