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Old 12-22-2017, 09:10 AM
 
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Not at all.

Gore got 44.5% in 2000, Kerry got 44.4% in 2004, Obama got 45% in 2008 (against our sitting Senator mind you) and 44.1% in 2012. Clinton got 44.6%. There is no purple trend happening in Arizona. No matter how bad us on the left want to believe it, the idea is all nonsense.

None in NC either.

 
Old 12-22-2017, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Austin
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such hypocrisy for progressives to leave the blue state they have ruined because the politicians they voted for ruined their state. these progressives move to a red state because the fiscal climate in the red state is financially preferable to their paycheck and lifestyle and then vote to turn the red state into the cesspool blue state they fled.

If blue states are so great....stay there, progressives. Please.
 
Old 12-22-2017, 09:31 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Liberals migrate like the plague, destroying new areas after their former states become unlivable due to liberal governance.
One party rule is the problem, NOT liberalism. Look at states like Oklahoma. Oklahoma is the most conservative, Republican state in the country and it's one of the worst to live in, right alongside Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and West Virginia.

The only reason Texas is so red is because it's so large but the areas that are doing well are blue or at least purple. The Carolinas and Georgia are becoming more purple.
 
Old 12-22-2017, 09:33 AM
 
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Illinois is losing a lot of people. I left Illinois. It just lost its spot as the 5th most populated state. Now it sits at 6th and Pennsylvania is 5th.


https://www.illinoispolicy.org/censu...-pennsylvania/
 
Old 12-22-2017, 09:34 AM
 
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Quite wrong assumption.

Here in AZ, the vast majority of incomers have moved to metro Phoenix, which now has 65% of the states population. And well over half of our incomers are from California and Illinois, hence we have increasing Democratic representation at the state and federal level. So the migration has had a huge impact in this state.

Even in Texas, metro DFW and metro Houston make up half the state combined, and both are getting a lot of CA transplants
You are correct - the DFW Metro area and the Houston Metro area are almost exactly 1/2 of the populations of Texas - BUT they are Islands in a giant Sea of Red and they don't turnout for elections.

Some (in fact many) have no interest in replicating the horror of State government they escaped from - some are sure when they arrive that they will "change" Texas and then find out that is not so easy. It's sure not "easy" in Texas.

Over 330,000 new jobs in Texas in the last 12 months alone -
 
Old 12-22-2017, 09:39 AM
 
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Interesting. Conservatives crow as red states grow through immigration, while fighting to stop immigration.
 
Old 12-22-2017, 10:20 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Quite wrong assumption.

Here in AZ, the vast majority of incomers have moved to metro Phoenix, which now has 65% of the states population. And well over half of our incomers are from California and Illinois, hence we have increasing Democratic representation at the state and federal level. So the migration has had a huge impact in this state.

Even in Texas, metro DFW and metro Houston make up half the state combined, and both are getting a lot of CA transplants


They all pile into one district, or 2 if it is a bigger city and the amount of gerrymandering lines drawn.

They gain nothing in the state, unless district lines are redrawn.
 
Old 12-22-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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They all pile into one district, or 2 if it is a bigger city and the amount of gerrymandering lines drawn.

They gain nothing in the state, unless district lines are redrawn.
The lines have to be redrawn with enough increase, as federal law requires all districts within a state to have the same population
 
Old 12-22-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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One party rule is the problem, NOT liberalism. Look at states like Oklahoma. Oklahoma is the most conservative, Republican state in the country and it's one of the worst to live in, right alongside Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and West Virginia.

The only reason Texas is so red is because it's so large but the areas that are doing well are blue or at least purple. The Carolinas and Georgia are becoming more purple.
Even rural Texas does really well, with beef prices high, corn & milo crops bringing in big bucks. Then there are oil pumps everywhere, adding so much wealth to the rural areas.
 
Old 12-22-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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They leave mostly because they can't afford to live there anymore.
That's been a trend for some time now.

And look at what it did to the cities they fled to....unaffordable housing, regulations up the kazoo, traffic gridlock, a community that's nothing but an echo chamber. And then they start to complain again about the high cost.
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