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Old 12-23-2017, 02:43 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Journalists are suppose to report the news but that ship sailed away decades ago. Now you have anchors like Chris Matthews and Don Lemon sitting around a round desk with other Leftists talking heads babbling on about how bad this or that is about Trump. Tell me how that is reporting news and how that is not biased?
And Rightists babbling on about this or that is about Trump. Tell us how that is reporting news and how is that not biased? About time you folks learn that when you fling mud over the wall it's better than even money that mud's gonna come flying right back at you.
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Old 12-23-2017, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I have major respect for Franklin Graham. He is right as usual.
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Old 12-23-2017, 02:46 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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And Rightists babbling on about this or that is about Trump. Tell us how that is reporting news and how is that not biased? About time you folks learn that when you fling mud over the wall it's better than even money that mud's gonna come flying right back at you.
What rightists are you talking about? Besides Fox, name one television news outlet that is not liberal biased.
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:25 PM
 
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“Never in my lifetime have we had a Potus willing to take such a strong outspoken stand for the Christian faith like Donald Trump,” tweeted Franklin Graham, the son of the evangelist Billy Graham. The Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress sees a divine hand at work: “God intervened in our election and put Donald Trump in the Oval Office for a great purpose.”

I can't remember a time during my lifetime when a liar, thief, cheat, molester, and just really dumb person became President and was then adored by people who profess to be Christians. The qualities that Trump displays are not the qualities I learned about in church or during my six years of Catholic elementary school. If Trump is truly viewed as "a divine hand at work", I gotta say, God is really screwed up.

And FOX "News" isn't news - it's right-wing propaganda.
^^^ The above is the reason why many Christians will no longer identify as 'evangelical'. With their support of Trump and all that is unholy ~ the word now denotes more of a political voting bloc rather than a true Christian. A group that will vote for a man that has never ONCE asked God for forgiveness , discusses women in the crudest terms possible, cheated on his wives and cheated in business.

No one mistakes them for christians any longer.
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:55 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Good grief.
This is why so many people think liberalism is a mental disorder.

Millions of Muslims chant "Death to America" and support jihad against non-Muslims.
Millions of Muslims believe in genital mutilation of girls, depriving women of drivers licenses and voting rights, throwing homosexuals off buildings, the anhiliation of Israel and all Jews, etc etc etc.
The vast majority of the wars on this planet are from muslims fighting other Muslims or non-Muslims they despise.

But liberals want us to focus on how evil and scary Christians are, and how disturbing that FOX news sells gifts with a religious significance....


(I can not read the article unless I subscribe, so am just going on what you copied and apparently felt was important)
We are not evil and scary--the evil and scary ones are the fundamental, evangelical so-called Christians. You know, the ones who like to hide behind their "religion" but in reality are mean spirited liars. Often there was something wrong with them to begin with and that's why they chose to convert to an extremist "religion." They hate the rest of us and tell us we won't go to heaven...yet many of the men cheat on their wives, drink to excess (or did before they converted) and the women won't work to help support the family because they are brainwashed to thinking a woman's place is in the home.

Yes, I've known some. And another thing they'll say is that "God told me" --that way if God told them to do something, who can be against them, lol. See? We are on to you!
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:03 PM
 
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This is an interesting article where Christian activists promote Christian nationalism in the public sphere. As the number of people classifying themselves as Christians decline in the USA, people that promote Christian nationalism are becoming increasingly out of touch with more and more Americans.

“Never in my lifetime have we had a Potus willing to take such a strong outspoken stand for the Christian faith like Donald Trump,” tweeted Franklin Graham, the son of the evangelist Billy Graham. The Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress sees a divine hand at work: “God intervened in our election and put Donald Trump in the Oval Office for a great purpose.”

But what those critics don’t recognize is that the nationalistic, race-baiting, fear-mongering form of politics enthusiastically practiced by Mr. Trump and Roy Moore in Alabama is central to a new strain of American evangelicalism. This emerging religious worldview — let’s call it “Fox evangelicalism” — is preached from the pulpits of conservative media outlets like Fox News. It imbues secular practices like shopping for gifts with religious significance and declares sacred something as worldly and profane as gun culture.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/1...CAFb%3Famp%3D1


ANYONE who thinks trump is a man of God or any other faith is a fool. Period he believes he nothing but money that's the only God he knows.
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:10 PM
 
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^^^ The above is the reason why many Christians will no longer identify as 'evangelical'. With their support of Trump and all that is unholy ~ the word now denotes more of a political voting bloc rather than a true Christian. A group that will vote for a man that has never ONCE asked God for forgiveness , discusses women in the crudest terms possible, cheated on his wives and cheated in business.

No one mistakes them for christians any longer.
I don't know anyone that identifies themself as an evangelical. It seems that it's a term used almost exclusively by the MSM to conveniently lump all Christians in to one voting bloc. As far as Trump and his strong support among "evangelicals", Christ taught forgiveness of sin and warned against judging others. I think true Christians are willing to look past someone's flaws. That's kinda the whole point of Christianity. We acknowledge that we are imperfect... all have sinned. I think Christians support Trump because of his views on the key issues. Would true Christians want a Neil Gorsuch on the Supreme Court to protect religious freedoms, or would they prefer the court be stacked with liberal judges? Perhaps you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Christianity is all about?
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:13 PM
 
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Journalists are suppose to report the news but that ship sailed away decades ago. Now you have anchors like Chris Matthews and Don Lemon sitting around a round desk with other Leftist talking heads with their nonstop Trump/Republican bashing. Tell me how that is reporting news and how that is not biased?
I hate to break it to you but Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson sitting at a desk spouting nonsense with right wing talking heads isn't reporting news either.

Real journalists report the news, fairly and objectively. Which is why real journalists like Shep Smith and Chris Wallace are often criticized by their fellow right wingers for being too fair and balanced. How many times do conservative snowflakes accused these men of being closet liberals simply because their usage of facts don't conform to the conservative belief system?
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:27 PM
 
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Journalists are suppose to report the news but that ship sailed away decades ago. Now you have anchors like Chris Matthews and Don Lemon sitting around a round desk with other Leftist talking heads with their nonstop Trump/Republican bashing. Tell me how that is reporting news and how that is not biased?
Are those newscasts or opinion shows? I don't watch CNN.

Fox set the pattern there from day one with biased opinion shows. They showed there is a lot of money to be made, so the other networks copied the format.
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Good grief.
This is why so many people think liberalism is a mental disorder.

Millions of Muslims chant "Death to America" and support jihad against non-Muslims.
Millions of Muslims believe in genital mutilation of girls, depriving women of drivers licenses and voting rights, throwing homosexuals off buildings, the anhiliation of Israel and all Jews, etc etc etc.
The vast majority of the wars on this planet are from muslims fighting other Muslims or non-Muslims they despise.

But liberals want us to focus on how evil and scary Christians are, and how disturbing that FOX news sells gifts with a religious significance....


(I can not read the article unless I subscribe, so am just going on what you copied and apparently felt was important)
Did you read the whole article? It was written by a Christian, so no, it is not about how "evil and scary" Christians are. It is about the fact that, just as religion has had an impact on politics in America, politics has had its effects on religion, and that in many cases, those effects have not reinforced traditionally Christian values, but diluted them.

Here is an example, one of many from the "War on Christmas." Remember the outrage a couple of years ago, when Starbucks used those red cups around the holidays? What was that all about? Would the cups have been more Christmas-friendly if they had featured a picture of Santa Clause or Rudolph? Most of the things that get these culture warriors up in arms have nothing whatsoever to do with Christmas as a religious observation.

I understand that you may not like the author's politics, but she makes some excellent points about how some conservatives have made sacred cows of things that have literally nothing to do with Christianity. (Yeah, I know, sacred cows themselves have nothing to do with Christianity, but you know what I mean. Humor me. )
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