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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez
How much federal income taxes goes towards those things?
Interstate Highways are funded by federal dollars, except where they have been made toll roads. And quite a few states have progressive income tax as well, including Arizona here.
The commons is things like roads, police, fire protection, the courts, public defenders, prosecutor, etc.
You're coming back with a straw man here.
I don't care what the "common infrastructure" is. We are not discussing that. What we were talking about is the "common" means of funding whatever infrastructure we decide we should all fund. I'm claiming that what you propose to do is not "commons" at all. It's communism. A "commons" form of funding is that everyone in the system pays the same amount... thus the word "COMMON." Your version of "common" means of funding is called redistribution (communism). What you are proposing here is essentially an excerpt from Marx's Manifesto. But, go on and call it what you like. A pig wearing lipstick is still a pig.
There seems to be quite a few on the left that want to punish millionaires or billionaires .
Bernie Sanders is one even though he is likely a millionaire himself .
Why is there this desire from the left to see millionaires and billionaires suffer somehow?
We know socialism and communism does not work yet there is this constant desire to turn America away from capitalism .
Also with inflation these days being a millionaire isn't what it was back in the 1960s or so .
There are about 10.8 million millionaires in America today which is a pretty significant amount . Why would the left want to turn off such a large part of the population ?
The opportunity to become a millionaire and financially independent without having to work for someone else forever is one of the great things about America and this isn't an opportunity available everywhere in the world . One reason so many immigrants want be in America and why so many have moved to America over the years .
Agree or disagree ?
Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
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Originally Posted by ChrisC
You're coming back with a straw man here.
I don't care what the "common infrastructure" is. We are not discussing that. What we were talking about is the "common" means of funding whatever infrastructure we decide we should all fund. I'm claiming that what you propose to do is not "commons" at all. It's communism. A "commons" form of funding is that everyone in the system pays the same amount... thus the word "COMMON." Your version of "common" means of funding is called redistribution (communism). What you are saying here is essentially an excerpt from Marx's Manifesto. But, go on and call it what you like. A pig wearing lipstick is still a pig.
There is no point to public services if everyone is going to have to pay the same $ amount, because then the poor, working class and lower middle class wouldn't have the money to pay anyways. You are supporting regressive pricing like the private sector. The point of the public sector is equal access for everyone, regardless of means or ability to pay
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None of those things require taxing some people at a higher percentage of their income than others in order to exist.
Yes they do, because the lower classes don't have enough money to pay the same percentage as the upper classes
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