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Whether it is a "nobler purpose" or not, we can certainly debate. But the problem is, their "noble purpose" is only implemented as long as somebody else is paying for it. As soon as they have to foot the bill, they suddenly fall silent. The hypocrisy of mega-rich leftists is mind staggering. When I see them, in their personal lives, living this notion of "the common" that they spout but don't live, I may take their cause a little more seriously.
I believe most would agree that Bill Gates leans left. He gives a ton of his money away.
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What's "wrong" with people like us is that we believe in liberty, regardless of the social class of those around us, and you do not believe in liberty.
You want to stand in each others way, we want to get out of each others way. Pretty simple.
I credit conservatives with being great snake oil salesmen, but we see the truth.
"Freedom, liberty, personal responsibility and low taxes" all sound great on face value, but those of us who see the forest for the trees know that it translates to no safety net and no services 😒
I believe most would agree that Bill Gates leans left. He gives a ton of his money away.
Yet it must not be enough for the typical socialist on this forum because I'd doubt he is driving an Escort and living in an 800 sf townhouse in the suburbs while restricting his personal income to 30K per year. Isn't that the way it is supposed to be? Everyone is "comfortable" and there are no "royals" living in the lap of luxury? We all drive the same car. We all live in the same house. Everything is a comfortable tasting vanilla.
I credit conservatives with being great snake oil salesmen, but we see the truth.
"Freedom, liberty, personal responsibility and low taxes" all sound great on face value, but those of us who see the forest for the trees know that it translates to no safety net and no services ��
So why not cut them out of the safety net if they don't want to be part of it? Let the players who are in the game play. Just say, "You guys are on your own."
I'll answer that for you... because you need their money.
Yet it must not be enough for the typical socialist on this forum because I'd doubt he is driving an Escort and living in an 800 sf townhouse in the suburbs while restricting his personal income to 30K per year. Isn't that the way it is supposed to be? Everyone is "comfortable" and there are no "royals" living in the lap of luxury? We all drive the same car. We all live in the same house. Everything is a comfortable tasting vanilla.
Very few argue that. Sometimes we want to argue that the extreme's are the norm. It is not.
A mega-rich rockstar who lives in the best homes, drives the best car, goes on the best vacations, drinks the best wine, and plays the best golf courses (just like all those you hate) whilst the poor single mom of nine lives in squalor in the ghetto with barely enough food to eat. Why is that?
I don't like Trump at all, but if the very rich decide not to spend their Trump tax relief dollars in ways that re-invest them in ways that provide jobs and financial benefits to the middle and working class, that's on them, not him.
I fear, though, that will be the case in most instances. George W. Bush cut taxes significantly on the rich and corporations, and there was no corresponding increase in the financial benefits and stability of the lower classes. In fact, it got worse for them in many instances. If the same thing happens here, then we have to make note of it it and retire the idea once and for all for a new approach that benefits everyone. If Republicans truly cared about "all Americans" they would admit the idea has failed (if it indeed does so) and come up with a better plan to help a larger proportion of the population. It will never happen, of course, because they are in the pocket of their rich and corporate supporters. The democrats, too, but at least they seem to try and affect positive social change through tolerance. Fiscally, though, their track record isn't anything to be proud of. I will say this, though, in my lifetime prior to Obama, Clinton did more to relieve the national debt than any president since Nixon. That's the thing with history: contemporary villains in hindsight tend have had created more benefit than our contemporary hero's, who often tend to squander those benefits. You just gotta look passed the passions and extreme rhetoric of the day to see the wider perspective.
A mega-rich rockstar who lives in the best homes, drives the best car, goes on the best vacations, drinks the best wine, and plays the best golf courses (just like all those you hate) whilst the poor single mom of nine lives in squalor in the ghetto with barely enough food to eat. Why is that?
Why would a poor single Mom have NINE kids in the first place ? I guess we're not allowed to ask that.
This is nonsense every left wing policy is based on helping everyone not just the wealthy.
I'm a middle aged, middle class, straight white male.
What does the Left want to do to "help" me?
You don't "help" some people by keeping them on generational welfare, while demonizing others and confiscating half their income.
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