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Yes it couldn't be that blue states like education, health care and other services. But if your going to look at fairness lets look at blue states subsidizing red states through federal dollars. You want to be fair, right.
How will it take them to the cleaners when the majority of people will have lower taxes?
That is what you have been told, and what you have chosen to believe. Those people are trying to pre-pay to avoid being taken to the cleaners. S-Corps will be taken to the cleaners and there is nothing they can do. Trump-Tax is VERY expensive, so they have to extract as much additional money as possible to keep the damage under $1.5 trillion, which was the max limit they would accept.
You live in Arizona, right? Arizona is the poster child for a state that would probably cease to exist without federal handouts.
"By one measure, there are only nine states that are more dependent on the federal government than Arizona. It's no secret that around 40 percent of Arizona's revenue is federal money, which is the sixth-highest percentage in the nation. For example, for every dollar Arizonans pay in federal income taxes, the state gets about $1.61 back. That's above average (obviously)." Arizona Among States Most Reliant on Federal Government | Phoenix New Times
The increase in vehicle registration and gas tax are chump change, if that's the best you could do you will need to work harder to find new reasons to hate on California.
I can't disagree about AZ and again would say that neither party holds the high ground when it comes to balanced budgets or conservative government spending. AZ senators love pork just as much as every other state.
I'd bet a LOT of CA residents won't see the increases as "chump change" especially as those costs trickle down through the business sector raising prices.
Kind of a elitist remark you made don't you think?
yep..and it's also because Trump decided that he was going to teach those nasty Dems a thing or two because according to him they "wouldn't do bipartisan". This is from his interview today with the NY Times which apparently no one in the White House knew anything about:
"TRUMP: Had they asked, “Let’s do a bipartisan,” Michael, I would have done bipartisan. I would absolutely have done bipartisan... And if I did bipartisan, I would have done something with SALT [the state and local tax deduction] You know, we had a lot of people who fought very hard against, let’s call it SALT. Had they come to me and said, look, we’ll do this, this, this, we’ll do [inaudible]. I could have done something with SALT. Or made it less severe. But they were very ineffective. They were very, very ineffective. You understand what I mean. Had they come to me for a bipartisan tax bill, I would have gone to Mitch, and I would have gone to the other Republicans, and we could have worked something out bipartisan. And that could’ve been either a change to SALT or knockout of SALT." https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/u...-excerpts.html
It's cringe worthy that he seems to be unaware that Democrats were never allowed to participate in negotiations on the tax bill
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Can't rep again but that is amazing to read. Amazing. Maybe Trump is realizing how angry blue states are and how many Republicans could be kicked out of blue states. There is absolutely zero reason to re-elect these blue state Republicans in 2018. And since Trump ADMITS how heavily weighted this tax bill is against blue states, he must have known that not only were Democrats not included, when Chuck Schumer asked on the floor if they could take the weekend to READ THE BILL, they were told no. The GOP passed out an almost 500 page bill and they voted on it shortly after. Even many Republicans admit they didn't read the bill.
This is Trump trying to blame someone else for the GOP tax bill. It's important to remember that TRUMP ALWAYS NEEDS A FOE. It's critical to how Trump operates.
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Can we make this a sticky or something? Because for some reason, people deny it.
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Blue states are working right now to figure out ways to deal with the tax bill.
"But perhaps the most promising option, teased by a large group of tax law experts and vocally championed by prominent liberal economist Dean Baker, is for states to repeal their income taxes and replace them with employer-side payroll taxes."
The idea here is that payroll taxes levied on employers can be 'expensed' and deducted from income by the employer, getting around the loss of individual deductability above $10,000.
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Interesting and kudos to them. Anything that undermines Trump and the GOP is a win. The big question will be those Republicans in blue states that tried to hide by voting against the GOP tax plan. Would they publicly support changing it to employer-side payroll taxes? Would blue state Republicans publicly support undermining their own party's tax bill after voting against it in an attempt to keep their seats?
Interesting and kudos to them. Anything that undermines Trump and the GOP is a win. The big question will be those Republicans in blue states that tried to hide by voting against the GOP tax plan. Would they publicly support changing it to employer-side payroll taxes? Would blue state Republicans publicly support undermining their own party's tax bill after voting against it in an attempt to keep their seats?
You realize by swapping this to a business tax who pays the price in the end right? It isn't businesses. (hint: business don't pay taxes)
You also realize that the government WILL get their "gelt" one way or another. Until such a time as we actually SHRINK D.C./local governments and cut spending this kind of back and forth crap will never end...
Clearly didn't read the article where it said low tax states like Louisiana keep their taxes low by using federal funds to supplement them. Where do the federal funds come from? Blue states who contribute far more federal dollars than they get back in benefits.
Federal Anti-Poverty Programs Primarily Help the GOP's Base
Republicans want to shrink government. But their core voters benefit from assistance, like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, the most. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...curity/516861/
Numbers are easily massaged to fit a narrative.
Against a national average of $1,935 in intergovernmental spending per American, red states receive just $1,879. Blue states get considerably more, at $2,124 per resident. Purple states see the least of their money returned to them per capita, at just $1,770. Measured in this way, the blue states are getting quite a bit more than the red or purple..
Against a national average of $1,935 in intergovernmental spending per American, red states receive just $1,879. Blue states get considerably more, at $2,124 per resident. Purple states see the least of their money returned to them per capita, at just $1,770. Measured in this way, the blue states are getting quite a bit more than the red or purple..
Against a national average of $1,935 in intergovernmental spending per American, red states receive just $1,879. Blue states get considerably more, at $2,124 per resident. Purple states see the least of their money returned to them per capita, at just $1,770. Measured in this way, the blue states are getting quite a bit more than the red or purple..
You are missing the information that lists how much each blue/red/purple state resident PAYS to the feds.
States like NY and CA pay more in federal taxes than what they receive. They pay a lot more,per resident.
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