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Old 12-30-2017, 01:19 PM
 
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I have identical twins and I can tell you that is total B.S. Based upon others I know with identical twins they would tell you the same. Is that anecdotal? It is to a point but certainly no more than some random blog claiming something.

Do people with something in common tend to attract to people of like trait? They do but we are not robots.

There are homosexuals that attend my church. Your argument is that I should condemn them and run them off. No, if it's a sin they are right where they should be.
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:23 PM
 
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Would you eat food prepared by someone who finds your very existence despicable?
Their goal is a bigger goal than a cake.

I've mentioned a friend a had years ago. He was African American and had done quite well for himself. He was going to build a house with others that had done very well for themselves. There was a petition sent around to try and stop him. (this was the 1960's). Now you can ask why one would want to live where your neighbors didn't want you.

He became a very respected member of the community. He never forgot what people tried to do to him though.
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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Bless your heart. That is really sad.

It's literally IMPOSSIBLE to force someone to do something in the sense you're talking about, even at gun point. All you can do is to present incentives and disincentives. Rewards and punishments.

The government is punishing the bakers very harshly for refusing to submit to involuntary servitude. In the normal sense of the word "force", that means the government is forcing them to bake cakes.
Well bless your heart too! I still contend that the "nasty" government is not "forcing" them to bake a cake. So if someone points a gun in your face, you will likely do what they demand, after all, you don't want to get shot. What "gun" are we talking about?
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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How about the right to run a private business as you wish? Why should government tell me how to run the business I OWN? How about they force you to make a cake with a Confederate flag on with a little statue of Robert E. Lee on top.
Public accommodation in Oregon, it's the law.
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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Good bye religious freedom. This means the bakery will have to bake porn cakes now?
No, it just means that IF they bake porn cakes, they will have to sell it to anyone that walks in the door.
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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Tell me, why are gays a protected class??
Sexual orientation is a protected class. Take it up with the Supreme Court.
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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This is the law at issue:

https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/659A.403

And you're welcome.
Thank you, that seems really straight forward. It's all about public accommodation.
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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Bakers have rights like everyone else.
You bet they do, just like everyone else. If everyone else opens a bakery, they have to follow public accommodation laws in Oregon.
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Old 12-30-2017, 02:07 PM
 
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People that hide behind religion to hide their own perverse bias are the worst kind of hypocrites.
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Old 12-30-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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I guess there's no freedom of religion for christians.

Oregon court rules Christian bakery must pay $135G to lesbian couple | Fox News
Hope they appeal.

Just to reiterate, not all gays and lesbians are like this. Sadly, every community has its psychos.
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