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You make assumptions that only serve your claims. And who in their right mind would FORCE a food provider to make anything for them? Common sense will ultimately prevail.
Which assumptions did I make?
The case finding of facts from the court docs state that both the baker and the couple have said that no design was discussed.
This story makes me sick to my stomach. Gresham, Oregon is a suburb of the Portland area. Do you mean to tell me that the two women couldn't find another bakery in the Portland area that would serve them?
Full disclosure, I am not a big fan of same sex marriage. However, gay marriage is a constitutional right and I respect it. But for these people to go out of their way to file a lawsuit against a Christian bakery, punishing people for not going against their religious beliefs - it feels un-American. I am deeply bothered by this.
How do you feel about the BBQ joint that was sued because he refused to allow blacks seating in his restaurant based on his religious beliefs? They could have easily gone somewhere else that would serve them.
The couple did not file a suit, the state did. The couple reported the bakery to the state for violation of the states law. Do you believe that people should be allowed to violate the law as long as they claim a religious belief for doing so?
This case, like the one currently being decided at SCOTUS, is simply a matter of a state's law vs. individuals' Constitutional Rights. As previously noted, due to the US Constitution's Supremacy Clause in Article VI, individuals' Constitutional Rights will prevail.
"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
The State of Oregon and the Oregon Court System overstepped their authority and violated the US Constitution.
That said, what should have happened was for the US Congress to pass Federal legislation that added LGBT as a protected class under the Federal Civil Rights Act. Despite numerous attempts to do so, and regardless of whichever party was in power, they have ALWAYS declined to do so.
Therein lies the problem for LGBTs. They can't get the US Congress to support them.
How do you feel about the BBQ joint that was sued because he refused to allow blacks seating in his restaurant based on his religious beliefs? They could have easily gone somewhere else that would serve them.
The couple did not file a suit, the state did. The couple reported the bakery to the state for violation of the states law. Do you believe that people should be allowed to violate the law as long as they claim a religious belief for doing so?
Being Black isn't a behavior. Homosexuality is. Quit thinking we don't notice your lame comparisons.
How do you feel about the BBQ joint that was sued because he refused to allow blacks seating in his restaurant based on his religious beliefs?
SCOTUS ruled against the BBQ joint because race is a protected class under the Federal CRA. LGBT is NOT such a Federally protected class. Read my prior post.
Both LGBT advocates/activists and the US Congress have dropped the ball on that. One has to wonder why that is...
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The couple did not file a suit, the state did.
And stupidly so. Apparently none of the state's attorneys are aware of the US Constitution's Supremacy Clause.
Sausage and eggs aren't the focal point of public union of two individuals. But yes, if these two homosexuals went to the Tidy Diner and commanded the owner to provide the wedding's Sausage & Egg cake, the diner could refuse.
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The cake is not the main focal point of a wedding ceremony either, it is served at the reception, and is one of many things that happen like the first dance, the garter toss, the bouquet toss, lots of drinking, and dancing. The main focal point of a wedding is the couple.
You guys are arguing over details not principles. The question is whether the government can force someone to do something they don't want to do.
If you support the public-accommodations clause of the Civil Rights Act(and both of you do), then you believe that the government does have the right to force a force any man who wants to earn a living, to do anything the government requires him to do.
So you both actually agree with each other. You're really only arguing semantics to justify your support or opposition to same-sex marriage.
This story makes me sick to my stomach. Gresham, Oregon is a suburb of the Portland area. Do you mean to tell me that the two women couldn't find another bakery in the Portland area that would serve them?
Full disclosure, I am not a big fan of same sex marriage. However, gay marriage is a constitutional right and I respect it. But for these people to go out of their way to file a lawsuit against a Christian bakery, punishing people for not going against their religious beliefs - it feels un-American. I am deeply bothered by this.
Could someone please post the Biblical passage(s) where Christ encouraged folks to discriminate against people for who they love and marry.
Religion is a philosophy that forms behavior. It's called morals. Got any?
Morals are separate from religion. We all know this very well, as many people proclaim their religious beliefs while doing horrible things to others. Real morality would prevent that.
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