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Old 12-29-2017, 08:05 AM
 
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So you support socialized medicine then? You know, the kind of system that gives access to every citizen no matter their income level?

Yeah, didn't think so. So yeah, you are perfectly fine with millions of Americans going without any healthcare whatsoever.
I know you liberals are good at smearing people but for once stop making false statements!!! I believe everyone should have health insurance. How we accomplish that i'm not sure but i don't think having government control our healthcare system is the answer.

 
Old 12-29-2017, 08:40 AM
 
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Originally Posted by T-310 View Post
But not at my expense.

Pay for your own stuff.
You already pay for it.

The US spends roughly twice as many public dollars on healthcare as countries with single payer, and the people still pay for it out of pocket again.

The same procedure done in France for $1,000 costs $5,000 here.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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If thats true why aren't other nations #1 that already have socialized medicine
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Gee. I just can't find the US on this list, can you?

The 16 countries with the world's best healthcare systems - Business Insider Nordic
 
Old 12-29-2017, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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* #1 in medical research

* #1 in innovations

* #1 in cures

* #1 in nobel prizes

* #1 in survival rates
Check out the list of #1 countries in "survival rates."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._of_healthcare

BTW, would you cite the sources for your above assertions please?
 
Old 12-29-2017, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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* #1 in medical research

* #1 in innovations

* #1 in cures

* #1 in nobel prizes

* #1 in survival rates
Slipping!


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Once the undisputed center of global innovation in medicine, the U.S. is steadily losing ground to Asia and Europe and will, if trends continue, relinquish its leadership in the coming decade. That is the conclusion of an analysis appearing today in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/...-research.aspx
 
Old 12-29-2017, 09:12 AM
 
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I misunderstand nothing. Basing the level of care on WaPo articles and green card holding UN miscreants opinions is indicative of your lack of intelligence.
Better buy yourself a taxi company and hire a few hundred drivers if your previous offer still stands to drive them all to the airport:

1.4 Million Americans Will Go Abroad for Medical Care This Year. Should You? | The Fiscal Times
 
Old 12-29-2017, 09:12 AM
 
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* #1 in medical research

* #1 in innovations

* #1 in cures

* #1 in nobel prizes

* #1 in survival rates
[citation needed]

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I know you liberals are good at smearing people but for once stop making false statements!!!
He said, in his thread filled with false statements.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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[citation needed]



He said, in his thread filled with false statements.
Facts apparently are not the priority of the OP.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 09:24 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Check out the list of #1 countries in "survival rates."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._of_healthcare

BTW, would you cite the sources for your above assertions please?
There is currently a debate going on over the Overdiagnosis of Cancer in the American Health System, when compared to some other nations, as it seems if you overdiagnose cases, then of course your going to have a higher survival rate and better cancer outcomes, than countries which are less prone to diagnose.

So what happens is that patirnts with non life threatening conditions are given aggresive treatments when they don't need them, and it's therefore little wonder they have a good survical rate.

The US has by doing this also increased it's rate of recorded cancers per capita than many other countries where you are far less likely to get cancer in the first place. However the US is not the only country to do this, some European countries also over disgnose or use different labels making the whole international statistics rather dubious.

Data for cancer frequency by country | World Cancer Research Fund

Overdiagnosis - Wiki

Cancer Survivor or Victim of Overdiagnosis? - New York Times

Public don’t understand “overdiagnosis”

How Much Are We Over-Diagnosing Cancer? - Forbes 2015

The Overdiagnosis of Cancer in America

Cancer screening for older patients: More harm than good?



There are other issues as well, such as how mortality figures are collected, if the persons death certificate states cancer or states a death by something related to the cancer. Then there's type of Cancer, sometimes a non specific and generic term cancer is just used rather than a specific type.[/quote

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Old 12-29-2017, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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I'll be happy to give rides to the airports to those leaving the US to receive better care in another country.
And when you or a family member needs better care than you can get here, are you going to leave the country too? Wouldn't you rather have better care right here in the U.S. and pay rates that are comparable to what people in other countries pay for better care and better outcomes?

Why do you think excellent care at a fair and affordable price should not be available in the U.S.? Other countries have achieved that. Do you think Americans are that undeserving? If you're one of those "every man for himself" types, I doubt very much that you are able to research and cure yourself of every ailment without help, but you're free to try. Most of us are willing to live as a society where we work together to make our country and our lives better. Why can't we make our healthcare system better?
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