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Old 12-30-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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I feel sorry for the few reasonable folks left in California. If they are smart, they will abandon it and move to decent places. If that happens, hopefully they are smart enough to stop voting for moronic liberals. We don't need to ruin any more places like California has been ruined.
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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Let's look at what $11.00 an hour really breaks down to. If a person works 40 hours per week at that rate, their take home pay will end up being about $700 for TWO weeks, $1400 a month. Out of that $1400, they have to pay for a roof over their head, food, travel, clothing, medical, etc, etc.

I used to live in California, and it is EXPENSIVE. $1400 won't even get you a cheap apartment. In some places, $11 an hour may seem great, but not everywhere.
Usually people making that kind of money don't expect to live alone. If they do, they will do the right thing and improve their skills
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Usually people making that kind of money don't expect to live alone. If they do, they will do the right thing and improve their skills

It's very easy to say "improve your skills", but the reality of the world is that a large percentage of people are locked into a job and live paycheck to paycheck. They don't have the time or money to improve their lot in life. There are more people making $11 an hour (and a lot less) in this country than you can begin to imagine.
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Old 12-31-2017, 06:24 AM
 
Location: NC
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It's very easy to say "improve your skills", but the reality of the world is that a large percentage of people are locked into a job and live paycheck to paycheck. They don't have the time or money to improve their lot in life. There are more people making $11 an hour (and a lot less) in this country than you can begin to imagine.
there are plenty of free or low cost resources out there to improve your skills if one has the ambition to do so. several years ago I learned a lot of Mandarin in such a way, that would make time only the major factor
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Old 12-31-2017, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Good article by an actual business owner being affected by the horrible anti business laws of politicians .


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Call it an unhappy New Year.

When the clock strikes midnight on Jan. 1, California will usher in more than a dozen onerous new labor laws. Adding insult to injury, the state’s minimum wage will rise again to $11 an hour — on its way to $15 an hour by 2022. (It’s rising even faster in Los Angeles.)

The negative impact of this increase isn’t theoretical — it’s supported by real-world evidence, including consequences for my own company.


https://www.dailynews.com/2017/12/28...appy-new-year/
California has lost its mind. Eventually, the chickens will come home to roost, the S will hit the fan, and CA will self implode. It has to happen, it's only a question of when.
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Old 12-31-2017, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Let's look at what $11.00 an hour really breaks down to. If a person works 40 hours per week at that rate, their take home pay will end up being about $700 for TWO weeks, $1400 a month. Out of that $1400, they have to pay for a roof over their head, food, travel, clothing, medical, etc, etc.

I used to live in California, and it is EXPENSIVE. $1400 won't even get you a cheap apartment. In some places, $11 an hour may seem great, but not everywhere.
Don is right on this one -- $11 an hour in California is chump change and almost unlivable. Rents and everything else are simply pried too high.
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:26 AM
 
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Simple math. Higher waged population, higher spending power population. You see it as a expense, others see it as a stimulous.
Higher wage for all may also mean, more money in the hands of consumer is now chasing the same available quantity of products - so $15/h minimum may result in $10 plus tax for a gallon of milk.
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Old 12-31-2017, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Don is right on this one -- $11 an hour in California is chump change and almost unlivable. Rents and everything else are simply pried too high.
Not all of California is as expensive as Los Angeles, Orange County, Santa Barbara, San Diego, the Bay Area, and Santa Cruz.
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Old 12-31-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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I still don't understand why 4-5% of the US population gets this much consideration when it comes to wages. The minimum wage is not designed to be a living wage – and the fact that people don't understand this basic principle shows the level of stupidity that exist. If anyone advocating for a higher minimum wage would HAVE actually taken an econ course in high school or college, they would understand that with a rise in wages also means a rise in prices – inflation: one of the most basic principles of macro economics. Specifically, rises in wages of a minimum wage earners will only negatively effect everyone else who now has to pay more for goods and services.
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Old 12-31-2017, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I still don't understand why 4-5% of the US population gets this much consideration when it comes to wages. The minimum wage is not designed to be a living wage – and the fact that people don't understand this basic principle shows the level of stupidity that exist. If anyone advocating for a higher minimum wage would HAVE actually taken an econ course in high school or college, they would understand that with a rise in wages also means a rise in prices – inflation: one of the most basic principles of macro economics. Specifically, rises in wages of a minimum wage earners will only negatively effect everyone else who now has to pay more for goods and services.
Min wage works fine for high school kids or even college kids living at home.

I saw a clip on the news when there were the "Fight for $15" protests in L.A

This lady said that she had 5 kids and gets paid minimum wage..

She said if she made $15 she'd be able to pay all her bills and not be on welfare.

It seems like people should consider what type of income they need to support kids. Even one kid is going to increase your expenses. I just don't get people having multiple kids thinking they can do it on min wage with no college degree.

CA has the highest poverty rate when you take cost of living into account. It also gives out way more than it's share of welfare.

It seems there should be something done to disincentive this bad behavior...but I guess it's not politically correct to tell people to stop having kids they can't afford...
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