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Old 01-01-2018, 09:58 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Amazing that conservatives scream about states' rights yet want to make two states pay completely for a tunnel/train project that they do not own or control, for something that is federally run. Amazing what political divisiveness will do.

Also, if anyone would read, they would know that the two states were going to cover half this project and the other half was to be federally funded. So NY and NJ were not off the hook.
Yep... If this were in Oklahoma, they would rush over themselves to approve of it as evidence of Trump's grandeur in "investing in America."
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Old 01-01-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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During SFY 2016-2017, the NYS tax department collected $71.2 billion from state-imposed taxes and fees as follows:

personal income tax—$47.6 billion
state sales tax plus excise and user taxes—$15.2 billion
business taxes—$6.0 billion
property transfer taxes—$2.2 billion
other taxes and fees—$0.2 billion

And NY needs federal funding? With what they're collecting revisit their budget and cut accordingly.

Oh wait... they gave out free SUNY tuition and pay to revive junkies. Forgot. Priorities.
Lol. Ask me how much Texas used from the 10 billion rainy day fund on Harvey recovery. Hint: the answer starts with a "z".
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Old 01-01-2018, 10:03 AM
 
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Yep... If this were in Oklahoma, they would rush over themselves to approve of it as evidence of Trump's grandeur in "investing in America."
This is pure political BS in this thread which is what makes these uninformed posters so pathetic. Not everything has to be so damn partisan. We are one nation.

Yeah, let's let our infrastructure rot and access to the biggest city in the country, which connects it via Amtrak (let me remind people again that it is a federal thing) to multiple other East Coast cities, remain limited as populations grow because these are "blue states" and we are in "red states" and the President is a Republican and we cling to the false belief that red states subsidize blue states. Give me a break. I'll leave this here, btw. Keep complaining about NY and NJ benefitting from some federal dollars for infrastructure, go ahead.
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Old 01-01-2018, 10:03 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Lol. Ask me how much Texas used from the 10 billion rainy day fund on Harvey recovery. Hint: the answer starts with a "z".
That's NY state tax revenue, not federal tax revenue.
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Old 01-01-2018, 10:08 AM
 
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That's NY state tax revenue, not federal tax revenue.
What?
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Old 01-01-2018, 01:09 PM
 
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Does anyone read? This is an AMTRAK project. The AMTRAK (federal company) tunnel is in bad condition and AMTRAK is trying to build a new one as well.

Read and understand what is going on before you come at me with BS posts like this.

And yet those in Pierce County in Washington State (where the Amtrak train derailed) is now paying for 25+ years in taxes for a rail that is now not being used because of the derailment. They voted for it....they got it. Now they are stuck with the ramifications from it.
The whole US does not need to pay for this. It's wasteful spending.

Also if you look up what Amtrak is, it specifically states it is a for profit company. They even have a board of directors.
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Old 01-01-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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And yet those in Pierce County in Washington State (where the Amtrak train derailed) is now paying for 25+ years in taxes for a rail that is now not being used because of the derailment. They voted for it....they got it. Now they are stuck with the ramifications from it.
The whole US does not need to pay for this. It's wasteful spending.

Also if you look up what Amtrak is, it specifically states it is a for profit company. They even have a board of directors.
Did you miss the part where NY and NJ were to pay for half the project? You must have.

You and others clearly have no idea how federal spending for federal programs works. Get a clue and get over it that at some point, federal funds WILL be used on this project, as they are used on many other "local" projects, oftentimes in states that receive way more than they give in federal tax dollars, so don't even start.
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Old 01-01-2018, 02:26 PM
 
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Does anyone know why the drinking age in all states is 21? It doesn't have to be. It isn't a constitutional requirement. States are free to change the ages. BUT states will only get full federal funds for their highways if they keep the drinking age at 21. So states receive federal funds for local projects all the time, projects often far more local than a train line/tunnel connecting various states and major cities.

People act like federal dollars don't go all over the place for various reasons. They do, all the time. We just don't typically hear about the individual examples. In this case we are hearing about it because it's clearly a political retaliation thing - like the entire GOP tax plan.
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Old 01-01-2018, 03:45 PM
 
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Did you miss the part where NY and NJ were to pay for half the project? You must have.

You and others clearly have no idea how federal spending for federal programs works. Get a clue and get over it that at some point, federal funds WILL be used on this project, as they are used on many other "local" projects, oftentimes in states that receive way more than they give in federal tax dollars, so don't even start.
From reading other articles it looks like NJ and NY said they were only committed 3.65 billion for this 13 billion project. Trump's administration asked for documents to show Obama saying the government would pay half but no document was provided. Even if they did provide the document, how is 3.65 billion half of 13 billion? They are short so.....
In WA state, for that small piece of track that the train derailed off of, Pierce county raised their sales tax. It is 2.1% HIGHER than 6 miles down the road in Thurston Co area. They raised their property taxes for that county, the sales tax on vehicles, and also increased the vehicle tab prices by at least $30.
So if NJ and NY is saying this is needed so badly, what are they (the state government, not the federal government) doing to compensate for it? Amtrack is raising their rates by .90.

Sadly I know all too well how federal spending for federal programs works lol! When you are married to an active duty military member you see it in many ways within the military community.

According to Trump and his administration, federal funds will not be used. Bravo to them for making that happen. Cuts have to happen somewhere.
You may think this is a retaliation thing but it's not. It's becoming more responsible with choosing where our countries funds go. We can't keep going further and further into debt. We have to make choices. Sadly those choices are not always ideal but just like in a family, short term sacrifices for long term goals.
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Old 01-01-2018, 04:18 PM
 
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From reading other articles it looks like NJ and NY said they were only committed 3.65 billion for this 13 billion project. Trump's administration asked for documents to show Obama saying the government would pay half but no document was provided. Even if they did provide the document, how is 3.65 billion half of 13 billion? They are short so.....
In WA state, for that small piece of track that the train derailed off of, Pierce county raised their sales tax. It is 2.1% HIGHER than 6 miles down the road in Thurston Co area. They raised their property taxes for that county, the sales tax on vehicles, and also increased the vehicle tab prices by at least $30.
So if NJ and NY is saying this is needed so badly, what are they (the state government, not the federal government) doing to compensate for it? Amtrack is raising their rates by .90.

Sadly I know all too well how federal spending for federal programs works lol! When you are married to an active duty military member you see it in many ways within the military community.

According to Trump and his administration, federal funds will not be used. Bravo to them for making that happen. Cuts have to happen somewhere.
You may think this is a retaliation thing but it's not. It's becoming more responsible with choosing where our countries funds go. We can't keep going further and further into debt. We have to make choices. Sadly those choices are not always ideal but just like in a family, short term sacrifices for long term goals.
Well, an obvious choice would be to cut the 1 trillion military expense, but instead the proposal is to increase it. Combined with 1.5 trillion in unpaid cuts. Very far from "more responsible"
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