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Old 12-30-2017, 06:02 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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So the entire Fox News/Trump efforts to obstruct the investigation by spreading lies about Steele dossier are one big fail.

The FBI investigation started in the summer of 2016 never had the Steele dossier in the first place. Not to mention that Steele dossier has been actually corroborated in many aspects:
Carter Page congressional testimony corroborates Steele dossier parts - Business Insider

Then the main bombshell today indicates that their favorite talking point goes away haha. And from NYT, which we know is Trump's favorite, since he craves their attention all the time for interviews and press.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/u...adopoulos.html

I challenge every trump supporter claiming trump-russia is a hoax to read from A to Z.

Australian intelligence - thank you! (Australians are one of few nations that go to wars alongside America 100% of time).

Here come trump supporters claiming that George was just a coffee boy. Coffee boy who helped arrange meetings between Trump and Egyptian President (yes, President), British officials, Israeli settlers and many others:
Papadopoulos represented Trump campaign at international meetings - CNNPolitics
There's only one way to know what caused the FBI to get the warrant to spy on Trump. The FBI must release the FISA application listing their verified evidence at that time. The fact that they've been stonewalling Congress and are refusing to release it is making it appear they have something to hide.
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Old 12-30-2017, 06:05 PM
 
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I have not had time to flesh all of this of this information out, but my first impressions from OP's links is that an FBI investigation was launched into the Trump campaign due to pursuing/receiving opposition research on the Clinton campaign from Russian sources, aka Russian Collusion, based on revelations form Papadopoulos.
The part you left out is that in this case the opposition research was data that was illegally obtained, i.e., stolen via hacking.

That's the modern equivalent of the Watergate burglary, except this time the break-in and theft was done by foreign agents. Would you characterize the Watergate burglary as merely an attempt to obtain opposition research?

Stealing electronic data, i.e. accessing and using* the data without the owner's permission, is a crime. One could attempt to argue that it's a relatively minor crime. However, attempts to cover up crimes or obstruct justice are serious crimes. Again, see Watergate.

*Using, of course, could implicate the Trump campaign if, as it appears, they knew the data was stolen.
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Old 12-30-2017, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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I think Mueller should stick with the truth.

In fact, I think we all should.
What a refreshing change of pace that would be.
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Old 12-30-2017, 06:09 PM
 
Location: United States
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There's only one way to know what caused the FBI to get the warrant to spy on Trump. The FBI must release the FISA application listing their verified evidence at that time. The fact that they've been stonewalling Congress and are refusing to release it is making it appear they have something to hide.
You nailed it.

It's time for full transparency on why the FBI asked spy on Trump, and his campaign, and why they started a criminal investigation with no evidence of any crimes committed.
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Old 12-30-2017, 06:10 PM
 
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But Hillary Clinton and the democrats support opposition research sourced from Russians.
Was that opposition research stolen or otherwise illegally obtained?
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Old 12-30-2017, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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There's only one way to know what caused the FBI to get the warrant to spy on Trump. The FBI must release the FISA application listing their verified evidence at that time. The fact that they've been stonewalling Congress and are refusing to release it is making it appear they have something to hide.
Nunes gave the FBI until January 3rd to release documents related to that issue. He said he has been waiting since August and they have stoned walled. They are obviously hiding something. Where as the Trump people have been very accommodating when asked for docs. You have not heard any griping from the left that the Trump Campaign has stonewalled any of their requests. They have asked for some clarification on certain requests but have never outright refused or out denied a request.
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Old 12-30-2017, 06:15 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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The only ones attacking Mueller are right wing crazies fringe like random congressman from Florida who was previously in jail, judge whatever her name is but likes to speed 130mph, and couple other hannity like crazies from state propaganda fox news fringes.

Vast majority of people, especially ones familiar with Mueller's post 9/11 leadership, his republican beliefs (and donations), and clean record know he is the man of highest integrity and standards.

Listen dude, all that noise about NYT being fake news, but so far on trump-russia they have been on point what's been proven with indictments and plea deals.

And we are not even 1/3 through the investigation, kinds of which last usually 18-24 months at least.

And yes, Australians confirmed that. FBI didnt even have the Steel dossier available in July 2016.

Trump ppl are so dense, its almost painful.
It's very hard to believe a FISA court would give surveillance warrants based on what an Australian said he heard over drinks at a restaurant. They have to provide verified evidence of some sort of crime. Remember, the FBI had already been turned down by the FISA court at least once by this time. That makes it hard to believe they would even risk getting denied again over some bar talk.

Bottom line is the FBI needs to stop stonewalling and show the FISA application so we can all know if they used the unverified 'dossier' as the impetus to get the surveillance warrant.

We also deserve to know if Judge Rudolph Contreras, the judge who oversaw the Michael Flynn case and then recused himself, was also the FISA judge who issued the warrant to surveil Michael Flynn.
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Old 12-30-2017, 06:21 PM
 
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The part you left out is that in this case the opposition research was data that was illegally obtained, i.e., stolen via hacking.

That's the modern equivalent of the Watergate burglary, except this time the break-in and theft was done by foreign agents. Would you characterize the Watergate burglary as merely an attempt to obtain opposition research?

Stealing electronic data, i.e. accessing and using* the data without the owner's permission, is a crime. One could attempt to argue that it's a relatively minor crime. However, attempts to cover up crimes or obstruct justice are serious crimes. Again, see Watergate.

*Using, of course, could implicate the Trump campaign if, as it appears, they knew the data was stolen.
Nailed it.
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Old 12-30-2017, 06:24 PM
 
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Was that opposition research stolen or otherwise illegally obtained?
No evidence that the dossier information was illegally obtained.

Plus, it was clearly paid for by Americans rather than provided for free by the Russians, which is, as we all know, a violation of campaign finance law.
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Old 12-30-2017, 06:26 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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I have never seen so many armchair quarterbacks on a team.

I wonder if they get paid, or is the koolaid free?
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