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Trump is trying to make every American happy. He is not willing to bow down to the interests of globalists or support the NWO, which is why democrats and some establishment Republicans hate him.
Let's talk about that for a minute, Kev. Your side sees the actions Trump has taken to make "America first" and the rest of the world second as some wonderful plan that will really make us great again. The reality is, Trump has caused such a rift between us and our allies, and the rest of the world, that other countries are turning their backs on US.
Even countries we rely on are not sure if they can trust America to do certain things any longer. What this has caused is that other major players, like China, are stepping up to the plate and filling the void left by Trump's misguided agenda. Even NK and SK are starting to work together more, and our allies are seeing China become a monster in the international arena.
So, what Trump and his blind cult see as us moving to make ourselves stronger, is really a path to us losing respect and our position as the greatest country on the planet. We see it every day, other countries ignoring our departure from climate change discussions , and moving ahead without us. Same with NAFTA, and other programs where America used to take the lead.
Anyone who thinks this is good for us has no idea how the world functions, and how vulnerable we are without the rest of them.
Russian interference or influence through troll farms, hacking, and other cyber methods is NOT the same thing as actually changing votes.
No one has made a legitimate claim that the latter was done. Do you have evidence that votes were changed?
Hacking and cyber methods sure sound like attacks on the election system to me.
As for the rest, did you change your vote due to influence of "troll farms". Yep, I thought so.
Democrats say there was election fraud at the hands of Russians, but they sure as hell don't want an investigation of election fraud. Has to be seen to be believed.
The Mueller investigation was actually based on something:
Hmm. Nope. That is an opinion from the Mexican owned blog called the NY Times. We already know they put out endless false negative news about Trump AND they colluded with the Clinton campaign.
Hacking and cyber methods sure sound like attacks on the election system to me.
As for the rest, did you change your vote due to influence of "troll farms". Yep, I thought so.
Democrats say there was election fraud at the hands of Russians, but they sure as hell don't want an investigation of election fraud. Has to be seen to be believed.
You are still failing to comprehend the difference.
What was the White House talking about? The tweet (see below) included a video of Rogers, the NSA director, answering questions from GOP Rep. Devin Nunes, the committee chairman, about whether the Russians hacked voting machines and “changed vote tallies” in key swing states.
Rogers responded no to each of the six states mentioned by Nunes: Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina and Ohio.
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But Rogers was merely repeating what Director of National Intelligence James Clapper told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Jan. 5. “They did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort,” said Clapper, who since has stepped down as the intelligence director.
The fact that Russian hackers did not change votes does not mean that “Russia did not influence electoral process.” The intelligence community has taken no position on whether Russia influenced the election outcome.
Has any evidence been found that Russia actually hacked voting booths and vote tallies?
Nope. It's a very simple question. Yet no answer except ad hominem fallacy. This is typical.
Please specify your question. I see no question in your post:
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty
Hacking and cyber methods sure sound like attacks on the election system to me.
As for the rest, did you change your vote due to influence of "troll farms". Yep, I thought so.
Democrats say there was election fraud at the hands of Russians, but they sure as hell don't want an investigation of election fraud. Has to be seen to be believed.
Is this the question? "did you change your vote due to influence of "troll farms""
Did I, personally? Well, considering I didn't vote for Trump (and never, at any moment, ever considered it), the answer would be "no".
Did others? I would think it would be naive to assume that the divisive (and often false) content spread by these trolls/bots did not have an effect on swinging some votes. And when you're talking about margins that are measured in the thousands in some states, these swings could be significant.
I would never argue that HRC lost because of Russian influence (it is impossible to know, and we don't have another Earth to run that experiment on) - but it is not a great leap of faith to see that the power of manipulation had an effect (there are many examples of HUGE engagement numbers of divisive, disingenuous, and false content spread by Russian trolls/bot accounts).
If you would like to link me to some evidence or data that suggested that voting booths or tallies were hacked, I am all ears, though.
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